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VW Is Said to Cheat on Diesel Emissions; U.S. to Order Big Recall
The New York Times ^ | Friday, September 18, 2015 | Coral Davenport and Jack Ewing

Posted on 09/20/2015 2:48:12 PM PDT by kristinn

The Obama administration on Friday directed Volkswagen to recall nearly a half-million cars, saying the automaker illegally installed software in its diesel-power cars to evade standards for reducing smog.

The Environmental Protection Agency accused the German automaker of using software to detect when the car is undergoing its periodic state emissions testing. Only during such tests are the cars’ full emissions control systems turned on. During normal driving situations, the controls are turned off, allowing the cars to spew as much as 40 times as much pollution as allowed under the Clean Air Act, the E.P.A. said.

“We expected better from Volkswagen,” said Cynthia Giles, the E.P.A.’s assistant administrator for the Office of Enforcement and Compliance. She called the automaker’s actions “a threat to public health.”

Agency officials issued the car company a notice of violation and said it had admitted to the use of a so-called defeat device. The recall involves 4-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-15.

A spokeswoman for Volkswagen confirmed that the company had received the notice and said the automaker was cooperating with the investigation. She declined to comment further on the case.

The software was designed to conceal the cars’ emission of the pollutant nitrogen oxide, which contributes to the creation of ozone and smog. The pollutants are linked to a range of health problems, including asthma attacks, other respiratory diseases and premature death.

Experts in automotive technology said that disengaging the pollution controls on a diesel-fueled car can yield better performance, including increased torque and acceleration.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Germany; Government; US: California; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: audi; automakers; california; carb; cleanairact; detroit; diesel; emissions; epa; fraud; germany; martinwinterkorn; michigan; turbodiesel; volkswagen; vw
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To: dennisw
That in the real world these 40x more nitrogen oxides emitted

They were not 40X. They were 1X on flat highways with cruise control. About 10X on hills according to the researchers. CARB and EPA made up the "up to 40".

41 posted on 09/20/2015 5:35:56 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: dennisw
Not always 40x but at up to 40x!!!!!!

Bingo. Mainly 1X on flat highways.

42 posted on 09/20/2015 5:37:01 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: dennisw
Lots of details here (long read): http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf
43 posted on 09/20/2015 5:37:53 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: SES1066
Next problem for VW/Audi will be owner lawsuits because they essentially lied about these claims and thus the cost-per-mile and resale values of these cars will go down

More like up, especially if you manage to keep your car "unfixed". It passes a meaningless emissions test (NOX) is not a serious health threat. It gets better mileage and has better performance than a car that passes. Those are all positives.

44 posted on 09/20/2015 5:40:29 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: cyclotic

I bought a brand new TDI last year. I had the 20k maintenance over the summer - which coincidentally is the last one they cover - so I’ll never have to step back in a dealership again. I also live in a state (for now) that doesn’t have emissions testing.. There’s basically no way they could get me to comply.


45 posted on 09/20/2015 5:54:52 PM PDT by same old song
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To: bboop
VW has been targeted for years because of their "Right to Work" stance against the unions. Amazing how convenient this little discretion has shown up right about now...

I drive a leased 2014 Jetta TDi and love it. It's peppy, comfortable, high-tech, and stingy to the max on fuel. Lord knows if it's something we might like, it's got to be bad for us, taken away, and the company put out of business...

I wasn't sure if I'd keep the car or not, but if it won't pass emissions inspections, that pretty much is a kiss of death for me...

46 posted on 09/20/2015 6:08:58 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase
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To: same old song

I bought a 2015 Jetta TDI in June. The big difference between it and a 2014 is that the 2015 has an SCR and uses urea. Wonder if the fix for the SCR cars in an increase in urea usage??


47 posted on 09/20/2015 6:10:45 PM PDT by tatown
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To: cyclotic
What they do is reflash the PCM if you ever take it to the Stealer for service.

“I am my own warranty station.”

48 posted on 09/20/2015 6:17:54 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Keep JRandomFreeper in you prayers)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Don't forget Laura Holt and Remington Steele in the might Rabbit(s).


49 posted on 09/20/2015 6:55:27 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: palmer

Thanks. I will be keeping track of this case. The Wall Street Journal was more accurate and had this quote you saw>>>>

“alleged Volkswagen used software that activates full emissions controls only during testing but then reduces their effectiveness during normal driving. The result is the cars can emit nitrogen oxides at up to 40 times the allowable standard, the agency said. Diesel-powered cars are a small part of overall U.S. car and light-truck sales.”

I am skeptical about everything that comes out of the EPA. The worst thing is Volkswagen will be afraid of making its case to the public. It doesn’t want to BP treatment....

VW should definitely delay paying any fines until the next president gets in. Hopefully Trump or and Republican


50 posted on 09/20/2015 7:17:07 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: palmer

And when the VW diesel engines are putting out the high nitrogen oxides numbers on hilly terrain.....This is where fewer people live so the extra nitrogen oxides get dispersed and effect no one. Cities are on flat terrain for the most part


51 posted on 09/20/2015 7:21:29 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“VW will give out a software patch to remove the offending program. Then all the folks who own these cars will not be able to pass their emission tests”

Nor get the published ponies / mpg that buyers paid for, VW is in a world of hurt when all is said and done.


52 posted on 09/20/2015 9:28:12 PM PDT by DAC21 (.z)
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To: Straight Vermonter
VW will give out a software patch to remove the offending program. Then all the folks who own these cars will not be able to pass their emission tests.

No - since the software actually turns on all the mission controls, it will not end up being disabled so no cars pass - it will clean them up and reduce performance/MPG.

But you probably figured that out right after you posted.

53 posted on 09/21/2015 3:12:32 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: same old song
. There’s basically no way they could get me to comply.

Why would anybody want to?..............................

54 posted on 09/21/2015 6:15:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Bobalu; sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; ...

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....

If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL ”KnOcK” LIST jut FReepmail me.....

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....

55 posted on 09/21/2015 6:17:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

I remember the penalty that the big on-highway diesel engine mfgs. got several years ago for some tricky ecm programming.


56 posted on 09/21/2015 6:45:38 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: IncPen

The EPA probably has an entire division which is tasked with determining the number of deaths that will be caused by the slightest violation of the regulations, or the failure to implement the next tightening of the environmental noose around our necks.

The EPA-Nixon’s biggest failure.


57 posted on 09/21/2015 6:54:56 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: FunkyZero

Hitler is pissed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=dKef1JFpiCA


58 posted on 09/21/2015 7:18:26 AM PDT by golux
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To: AlaskaErik
No adaptive cruise control, no lane departure warning, no blind spot monitoring, no rear cross traffic alert.

OH NO! How does one manage to drive?
59 posted on 09/21/2015 7:21:07 AM PDT by golux
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To: Red Badger

YIKES! I guess I better hold onto my TDI for now. Doesn’t look like I’ll be able to buy another soon. Anyone know anything about or had any experience with the BMW 3 series diesels?


60 posted on 09/21/2015 8:56:30 AM PDT by AdaGray
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