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Trump drops 8 points; Fiorina increases 12 points. Rubio surges to 4th place. What the heck is the American voter thinking? Ted Cruz is a brilliant, Conservative and he's getting no traction. This nation is missing a great opportunity.
1 posted on 09/20/2015 6:27:26 AM PDT by Din Maker
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To: Din Maker

She is part of the Bush plan now make no mistake.


2 posted on 09/20/2015 6:28:38 AM PDT by ground_fog
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To: Din Maker
What is America thinking?

They're thinking that they want someone who doesn't bow to DC and they can relate to. Rubio was played badly by Schummer and McCain on immigration. Rubio comes across as smart, understanding of normal people and he explains things real well.

I could see a Trump/Rubio team with Cruz staying in the US, mentored for a few years by Jeff Sessions in the US Senate, and working at cleaning up that cesspool.

4 posted on 09/20/2015 6:34:35 AM PDT by grania
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To: Din Maker

This is BS by a phone call poll.

Fiorina, BTW, proclaimed that she quadrupled HP’s
revenue growth from 2 percent to 9 percent,
whereas it decreased from 7 percent to 3 percent.

She is a biz failure and a plant for the RINOs.


5 posted on 09/20/2015 6:37:08 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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Like the circus shows that roll into and out of towns the Carly’s Free arena show will do what she did to HP -—tank.
Snarly Carly will be back to Yeb-like poll numbers in short order. She’s CNnN’s girl for now.


6 posted on 09/20/2015 6:40:27 AM PDT by tflabo (Psalm 1)
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To: Din Maker

“Missed opportunity”

Another in a long line, starting and ending with the loss of Christianity as our guiding force.

I don’t know if Fiorina is part of a Bush Plan, but the Establishment media is all in for her.

But their to-be-defeated-later-by-dems Flavors-of-the-week never last (Carson, Cain, Bachmann, Romney, McCain...). Someone will jump the gun and release something about her incompetence as CEO.


7 posted on 09/20/2015 6:40:39 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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This is all media game play now.

CNN and the MSM establishment, RNC all want Trump out so we are seeing a unified campaign to manipulate the data in favor of anybody but Trump.

Fiorina is a useful candidate right now for pushing him out but then we will see another candidate, (somebody more palatable than either one of them) suddenly begin to surge.
Fiorina is a stop gap measure for right now but the powers that be see her as expendable too.

This new Republican “surge” candidate will be chosen such that they will still appear very mediocre when compared to Shrilliary. It's a classic set up.

Keep your eyes open for this process.

9 posted on 09/20/2015 6:43:34 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Din Maker

The non-Cheap Labor Express candidates:

Cruz, Trump, Santorum

Everyone else wants to accomodate the illegal aliens and their employers by changing the laws.


12 posted on 09/20/2015 6:46:12 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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Cross linking another posting of the same article:

Poll: Fiorina rockets to No. 2 behind Trump in GOP field (Trump-24% Fiorina-15% Carson-14%)


16 posted on 09/20/2015 6:49:08 AM PDT by deport
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Walker and Cruz belong on top, too....Not Carson and Fiorino...

People are voting "who's left"...and they know zip about them.

22 posted on 09/20/2015 7:04:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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If you are not in the top 6 in the current RCP poll you are not going to be President. Personally, I'n not ready to count any of these candidates out. OTOH, a couple of more polls and Cruz is going to slip to 6th - overtaken by Rubio already and Fiorina soon. This is, of course, due to the perceived debate performance which will fade some with time. We will see how that goes.

If push came to shove I would, however, scratch Carson and Fiorina.

Here is the current RCP rank:

Trump
Carson
Bush
Rubio
Cruz
Fiorina

25 posted on 09/20/2015 7:07:47 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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Title probably should read: CNN promotes FioRINO in new poll.


29 posted on 09/20/2015 7:20:10 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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Flashback GOP Iowa poll June 26th to June 30th, 2011:

theiowarepublican.com/2011/tir-poll-bachmann-overtakes-romney-in-iowa

Actual results of Iowa Cucus January 2012:

Rick Santorum
29,839 24.6%

Mitt Romney
29,805 24.5

Ron Paul
26,036 21.4

Newt Gingrich
16,163 13.3

Rick Perry
12,557 10.3

Michele Bachmann
6,046 5.0

Jon Huntsman
739 0.6

elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/states/iowa

32 posted on 09/20/2015 7:28:15 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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If you believe this poll I have a bridge and toll booths I’d like to sell you, cheap.


33 posted on 09/20/2015 7:28:46 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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You're looking at this the wrong way. FOLLOW THE LEAD. That's all that matters. Trump's goal is to win delegates. So, in this poll he had a lead of 12 over Carson, now a lead of 9 over Fiorina---that's MOE variation. You could say, his lead really didn't change.

What did change is that the #2 competitor dropped from 19 to 15---on her way back to 10.

Try running a hypothetical primary on this and who wins, big? Trump. But try running 10 hypothetical primaries, and it's all over-Trump wins big. Because The way many of these states are structured, the overall winner wins x% of delegates, but then the person who carries each county wins delegates for that county. So, disproportionately, while a Fiorina might win an urban area, Trump would still not only win the state delegates but the large majority of county delegates as well.

But it's worse for all the rest: NO ONE other than Trump has a lead in any state except Carly in NH, Walker in WI, and Kasich in OH. Trump is second in all those states and would therefore get a % of delegates everywhere he is second. But Walker doesn't even exist in NH, Kasich doesn't even exist in SC, and so on. So out of 10 early primaries (and I'm just making up the numbers to give an idea of proportions), here's what could happen if Trump won 7 states, came in second in 3 (I'll do primary states, not caucuses which are a little more convoluted, and only New Hampsire is proportional:

1. NH: Fiorina wins NH, gets maybe 15. Trump at second gets 5. Kasich nothing, Walker nothing.

2. SC, Trump wins (50) and now leads 55-15 over Fiorina. Nobody else has anything.

3. Alabama is fifth in line, but the third primary state: Trump wins easily (50) and now increases his lead to 105-15. Nobody else gets anything.

4. Next up is Alaska. I have no idea, and haven't seen a poll, but say it's ANYBODY but Trump or Fiorina, say, Carson. Now it's Trump 105, Carson 28, Fiorina 15.

5. Super Tuesday: this is where Trump takes over, as it is disporportionately laden with states AR, TN, NC, GA, where Trump has a very big lead. Even in proportional states here, Trump would win most. But assume Rubio wins one or two, Walker wins one: now they have a handful of delegates in a group with Fiorina, Cruz, and Carson . . . while Trump now has over 500 and is halfway to the nomination.

I am convinced Trump has been playing the delegate #s from day one and CLEARLY (better than most) understands how the game is played. The delegate game demands you play on a national stage. No one, other than Trump, has really been able to do this.

36 posted on 09/20/2015 7:34:50 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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What this poll indicates to me is reactionary to the medias’ spin of the debate winners.

While the media does still control much of the public opinion, as we’ve seen so far, it is possible for a candidate to supersede that control.


52 posted on 09/20/2015 8:17:38 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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The usual MSM dirty tricks are not working, so they must now 'massage' the numbers and outright lie and cheat. The stops have all been pulled out now.

The more the libs try to hit him, the more they get bloodied.

The MSM wants to set it up so that it is Hillary VS Fiorina - then they will destroy Fiorina.

Trump has them all terrified.

59 posted on 09/20/2015 9:04:37 AM PDT by Bon mots
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Trump drops 8 points; Fiorina increases 12 points. Rubio surges to 4th place. What the heck is the American voter thinking? Ted Cruz is a brilliant, Conservative and he's getting no traction. This nation is missing a great opportunity.

It's the result of a unified press touting fiorina. Don't worry, it will all work out.

65 posted on 09/20/2015 9:40:28 AM PDT by DouglasKC (I'm pro-choice when it comes to lion killing....)
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“Ted Cruz is a brilliant, Conservative and he's getting no traction. This nation is missing a great opportunity.”

A poll, at this time, this far out, is a phone call to any person and doesn't take into account whether this person, next year, will show up at his/her voting precinct to vote in the PRIMARY. Many people don't even know it is the Primary that determines who will be the actual candidate on the November ballot and they just vote in November.

Back to Cruz: The polls in Texas were wrong when Cruz ran against the Lt. Gov., for US Senator. He wasn't supposed to win if one went by polls. He won handily. I think he's the one candidate where polls don't reflect the grass root voters contacted by Cruz's teams, who actually turn out to vote.

Cruz was/is an organizer and from what I have read, his system is the same type he used in Texas for the Senate seat, which now will cover states by his teams who are chosen state by state. Those teams, by county, contact voters in their county and push Cruz and get them to go vote for him.

I don't think Trump has such an organization and voters who don't watch TV much, or just watch entertainment TV, aren't getting a big dose of Trump. These voters will be contacted by Cruz teams.

I used to work with the Texas State Republican Party and candidates and became acquainted with how district and state candidates organized their campaigns. I chose the candidates I wanted to work for, and was responsible for contacting voters in my county and kept in touch with the candidates as I went through the process. It takes dedication to hold a phone to the ear to call voters for hours every day, day after day. Using my psychology training, I usually made a friend of voters I called and they voted for my guys/women.

I also put together primary voter lists for other counties, using Access and Excel data spreadsheets, that these district and state candidates needed. I think most people think a candidate signs up to get his/her name on the ballot and that is all they do.

I know how complicated it is to get data together and put together teams and other workers in order to win an election. That is why I know how organized Cruz is with his campaign and why I don't think polls reflect what is happening on the ground, in the grass roots where the voters actually are. I don't think Trump is putting together the organization he needs - I think he is relying on his “great” TV appearances to get voters and I know that doesn't cut it, you have to get to the individual voter before the primary and then contact again shortly before the Primary to get them to the polls.

So, don't give up on voters for Cruz at this time. Debates are important for candidates to get their message out but they are not nearly as important as getting the candidate's full message to individual voters; polls are interesting and mean there is interest, generally, in these individual candidates, but it's more important to get to the individual voters. (How much of a candidate's message got to voters in this last debate? What we got was Trump said Carly was ugly, Jeb complained about what Trump said about his wife, etc...)

68 posted on 09/20/2015 9:47:20 AM PDT by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save you life today.))
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a DREAMer (Fiorina) and a Democrat. And yet lots of people here like that.


69 posted on 09/20/2015 9:48:40 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Donald Trump: Quality Conservatism Since 2015.")
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Carly is the “Flavor of the Week”, this too shall pass.


77 posted on 09/20/2015 10:45:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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