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If Obama is Muslim, why is he pro-abortion and pro-gay "marriage"? [vanity]
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-lets-questioners-anti-muslim-obama-claim-go-new-hampshire-n429536 ^ | Sep 18 2015

Posted on 09/18/2015 5:48:49 PM PDT by WilliamIII

Pardon the vanity, but you don't have to like Obama to see some big holes in the idea that he's Muslim.

Say what you will about Islam, is there any brand of Islam that is pro-feminist, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual-"marriage"?

Those are the positions of secular humanists, and leftist mainline protestantism. I put Obama in one of those two camps.


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To: WilliamIII
You can ask the same question about Obama's alleged Christianity.

If he's a Christian, why is he advocating for homosexual marriage and abortion?

21 posted on 09/18/2015 5:56:16 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: chris37; WilliamIII
chris37 :" Because he’s pro-American destruction."

Becuase he can promote the Socialist agenda if we have a country without morals , morale , borders , cultural identity or soverignty.

22 posted on 09/18/2015 5:56:59 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (The GOPe and Karl Rove got Obama elected twice. .. How'd that work out for ya ?)
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To: WilliamIII

Obama is not Muslim (at least in the religious sense). Obama is not Christian

Obama is a postmodern, American leftist metrosexual. This is his religion. It’s basically a vague creed of hedonism, hate for tradition, and statism, encompassing everything from new age to homosexuality to Marxism


23 posted on 09/18/2015 5:57:01 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: WilliamIII

Political expediency


24 posted on 09/18/2015 5:57:13 PM PDT by FLCowboy, (Good is the enemy of great)
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To: yarddog

Kudos, most succinct explanation I’ve seen.


25 posted on 09/18/2015 5:57:55 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: WilliamIII

It is curious. He is a pro-gay and pro-abortion.

However, he has done more to advance the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood, than any westerner in history. The White House has direct connections to it. There is evidence that we have funded ISIS and Al Quaeda.

A little file on him and the Muslim Brotherhood...

http://www.nachumlist.com/brotherhood.htm


26 posted on 09/18/2015 5:58:02 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Infidels are regarded as untermenschen. It is okay to lie to, to rape, and to murder them in Islam.
If it is okay to murder them, the Abortion is not a problem. It is only Infidel babies being aborted. Muslims would not have this issue.

As for supporting homosexuals, it also damages the infidel west. Anything which damages the infidel west is permitted.

On a different aspect, Obama’s power base requires him to hold and advance these positions. That they are destructive to the Nation and Christianity is likewise in his best interest.


Well said, but you leave something out. Although public display of homosexuality is forbidden by Islam and punishable by horrible death in many Islamic countries, the fact is young Islamic men routinely practice homosexual rape against the weaker members of their groups, but it’s not considered homosexuality and not ever ever discussed in public.

frontpagemag has had many articles on this subject over the years.


27 posted on 09/18/2015 5:58:04 PM PDT by samtheman (2014: Voters elect Repubs to congress... 2015: Repubs defund NOTHING... 2016: Trump/(Cruz or Palin))
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To: WilliamIII
He's an anti colonialists .. he takes the side of anything that's not the evil colonialist white man english/american judeo christian.

Other than his aversion for the colonialist and these other things, he has no value system.

So he appears to embrace blacks, muslims, gays - but there is no care for them. His belief system is an amalgamation of not-american, not-christian, not-masculine.

There is no real Obama ... there is only the manifestation of what he hates. He's on the side of anyone else who hates what he hates, or who stands to weaken what he hates.

The enemy of his enemy is his friend, but in order to play that game, he must first divide the masculine, white, Christian, colonialist from anyone who is not those things.

This is why he's so hard to pin down. He's not really anything. And that all makes sense when you look at his birth family - the man has zero identity, other than being in opposition to any strong identity.

What he hates most of all is a righteous identity of any sort, and especially the strength it projects ... essentially, a coward trying tear down anything that is strong. You'll never peg him as anything (other than a destructive as*hole.)

28 posted on 09/18/2015 5:58:05 PM PDT by tinyowl (penguin in transition and C. Edmond Wright says I am an idiot and a Trump sycophant)
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To: WilliamIII

Liberation theologist. Sympathetic to anything including Islam that denounces western civilization as being guilty of all sins and needing to be made to pay.


29 posted on 09/18/2015 5:58:43 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: WilliamIII

Ok, then is he a Christian like he has said he is?

Same argument


30 posted on 09/18/2015 5:58:49 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Eliminate "Sanctuary Cities" and "birthright citizenship" and other immigration scams)
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To: WilliamIII

Because he wants non-Muslims to kill themselves out so the Muslims can conquer the world.


31 posted on 09/18/2015 5:59:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: WilliamIII

If they share Obama’s brand of “Christianity” then they should be concerned about the immortal souls:

FALSANI: What do you believe?

OBAMA: I am a Christian.

So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.

On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences.

I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10.

My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim.

And I’d say, probably, intellectually I’ve drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.

So, I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.


32 posted on 09/18/2015 5:59:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: WilliamIII
Get over it!
Obama's a MUSLIM and has ALWAYS BEEN A Muslim !

there's NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
Obama's ring: 'There is no god but Allah'

Satan's minion, the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, despises Israel, and want's his RADICAL ISLAMISTS to take it.

Obama is NOT Christian.
He's MUSLIM.

Didn't our Heavenly Father, through our Savior tell us...

How well we deserve this curse (~so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things~) God has given us,
through the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, the FASCIST Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama II IS a Muslim.
His actions prove it.
To believe Barack Hussein Obama II, when he claims to be a Christian, is to trust Satan.
Muslims are well know for lying about their faith.

For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ).





Read INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
The documents provided in that article are very damaging to Obama, and well worth your time.






Now, I ask you, WOULD A CHRISTIAN DO THESE THINGS LISTED BELOW ?
33 posted on 09/18/2015 5:59:31 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: usconservative

There are thousands of protestant ministers (mainline denominations) who are just as pro-abort and pro-gay-marriage as Obama. If he really considers himself a Christian, then he’s thinking “Christian” in the sense of liberal Methodist or Episcopalian.


34 posted on 09/18/2015 5:59:48 PM PDT by WilliamIII (The)
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To: BenLurkin
If Obama is Muslim Christian, why is he pro-abortion and pro-gay "marriage"?

Touché!

Obammy is just a fagbot, doing what his masters tell him to do.


35 posted on 09/18/2015 5:59:53 PM PDT by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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To: WilliamIII
It's plain he is not Muslim. He's a leftist. That explains why he has certain attitudes towards Muslims. The left uses them. But when they are no longer useful, they won't like them anymore. They don't want anyone to believe in God. Right now they are successfully using Muslims against Christians and Jews.

By the way, Obama has used drones to kill plenty of Muslims.

36 posted on 09/18/2015 6:00:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamIII

Obama is a puppet, saying what the fist up his *** tells him to say. He doesn’t strike me as anything other than a place holder.


37 posted on 09/18/2015 6:00:33 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: ZULU
Obama is not a Muslim.

Here is an article that claims the gold ring he wears is adorned with Arabic script which reads “THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH”.


38 posted on 09/18/2015 6:00:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: WilliamIII

islam and leftists are in bed together right now...the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The enemy for these guys are Christians and Jews. It will be interesting to see who comes out on top if they’re successful....


39 posted on 09/18/2015 6:01:08 PM PDT by DouglasKC (I'm pro-choice when it comes to lion killing....)
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To: Mechanicos

He doesn’t want a caliphate here, he wants leftist government. If Christians and Jews were gone tomorrow, the left would be pounding on Muslims immediately.


40 posted on 09/18/2015 6:01:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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