Obama: Climate Deniers Who Ignore Science Are on ‘Their Own Shrinking Island’

Brietbart ^ | September 1, 2015 | Pam Key

[Zakeet]

Monday night at the GLACIER Conference in Anchorage, AK, President Barack Obama attempted to isolate those who question whether climate change is man-made saying they are “on their own shrinking island.”

Obama said, “We know human activity is changing the climate that is beyond dispute. Everything else is politics.”

[Snip]

"The time to plead ignorance is surely past.”

[Bob434]

Funny how temps have remained flat for 2 decades while CO2 has risen the whole time IF CO2 ‘causes global climate change’ Which is the main theme of ALL your posts Palmer- You try to constantly correlate rising temps with rising CO2, yet ignore the past 2 decades, and you ignore past records that show CO2 rises only many years AFTER temps rise And by the way- your vostok ice core samples conflict with many other ice core samples that show CO2 trailing rises In temps by as much as 1,400 years- why is that? All the other core sampels indicate CO2 trails- And concerning your vostok graph: [[In the 1990′s the classic Vostok ice core graph showed temperature and carbon in lock step moving at the same time. It made sense to worry that carbon dioxide did influence temperature. But by 2003 new data came in and it was clear that carbon lagged behind temperature. The link was back to front. Temperatures appear to control carbon, and while it’s possible that carbon also influences temperature these ice cores don’t show much evidence of that. After temperatures rise, on average it takes 800 years before carbon starts to move. ]] http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming-2/ice-core-graph/ Hmmm, interesting- showing charts that have been refuted to make your points now are we??

[Bob434]

[[Again we don’t spell it out simple, your sarcasm made it unusable.]]

What are you talking about? Sarcasm/ Where? I simply answered the questions that was put to us-

You can find all the figures I’ve quoted online at various sites- the 3.4% is fairly universal even in ‘man-caused climate change’ proponent’s sites

The ‘nearly 6 quadrillion’ figure is scientific fact, which you can find anywhere- even in aforementioned pro ‘man-caused’ climate change sites

I’m guessing o nthe How much does manmade CO2 weigh?

And the 0.00022% figure was from a site that figured out that was the percent of CO2 by man compared to the 6 quadrillion tons of atmosphere based on the 3.4% of all CO2 figure that man produces- I’ll see if I can find that link for you

[Bob434]

for now, you can find a reference to the 0.00022% here at this link (But I got the figure from a source better than this one- His citiation is down about 5 comments- but he gave no link- I’ll see if I can find a link to the report though

http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/atmosphere-page/co2-page/feed/

[EternalVigilance]

And meanwhile, out in the real world, normal people know that global warming and Al Gore are a big joke.

[TexasTransplant]

The format that I put it in ... in my response... as in Readable

May I use it?

If you’d like I will post one above the other, you tell me which one makes more sense. One was making a Statement the other posting Facts...

It’s just formatting. You did the work, I just wanted to present it differently.

Your Call

[TexasTransplant]

And where I can find those Facts cause I will be forever hounded if they are not RIGHT

[Bob434]

The following may be what I got the figure from- but it’s not looking familiar to me (it was awhile ago that I found the statement- so I can’t remember exactly), but it’s at least close- here’s an exerpt- it’s in pdf format

[[According to Khilyuk and Chilingar (2006), the total anthropogenic CO2 emission throughout human history constitutes less than 0.00022 percent of the total CO2 amount naturally degassed from the mantle of the Earth during geological history.

Anthropogenic CO2 emission is negligible in any energymatter
transformation processes changing the Earth’s climate.
The forces of nature that are driving the climate (solar irradiation, fluctuating along with solar activity and orbital deviations,outgassing, and microbial activities) are 4 to 5 orders of magnitude greater than the corresponding anthropogenic impacts on the Earth’s climate (such as heating and emission of greenhouse gases), even without accounting for the cosmic ray influences.

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/20_1-2_CO2_Scandal.pdf

Please note that this figure of 0.00022% is JUST OF the CO2 naturally outgassed from the mantle of the earth, and NOT a % of the TOTAL Atmospheric CO2 which is an even higher amount, meaning man’s CO2 is even Much less than 0.00022% of the total atmopsheric CO2 levels

Bottom line is that we’re talking about such an insignificant amount of CO2 produced by man that it is ridiculous to claim that man is responsible for even an iota of climate change- ALL of man’s CO2 production has amounted to less than 0.00022% of just the mantle released CO2- and when you crunch the numbers comparing man’s CO2 to ALL Atmospheric CO2 the numbers are much smaller still through the human age,

It is simply shocking that scientists can make the claim that man is ‘almost entirely responsible for climate change’ with a straight face- they should be ASHAMED of propagating such an asinine LIE

[Bob434]

you can find the 3.4% on wiki (just google ‘percent of man’s production of CO2” or something similar- you can find the 6 quadrillion tons of atmosphere figure by googling something like ‘total weight of atmsophere’ and you can find the total amount of CO2 in atmosphere by googling that-

[Bob434]

yours is fine, but you should probably use the whoel quote about the 0.00022% because it is more specific- and cite the fellas who stated it too, and where their quote is found- Here’s the blurb on that:

[[Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V., 2006. “On global forces of nature driving the Earth’s climate. Are humans involved?” Environmental Geology, Vol. 50, pp.
899-910.]]

and here’s the quote:

[[the total anthropogenic CO2 emission throughout human history constitutes less than 0.00022 percent of the total CO2 amount naturally degassed from the mantle of the Earth during geological history.]]

[Bob434]

The following 100 reasons why man isn’t causing climate change is worth reading (Note, some of the reasons aren’t actually valid ie: 97) India plans to reduce the ratio of emissions to production by 20-25 percent compared with 2005 levels by 2020, but all Government officials insist that since India has to grow for its development and poverty alleviation, it has to emit, because the economy is driven by carbon.- this isn’t a reason why ‘man isn’t responsible’ but it’s an itnerestign fact that shows how climate regulation WILL and IS hurting natiosn across the world)

However, most are legit reasons why man isn’t the cause, and why CO2 is NOT the driving force behind climate change

http://www.bradmesser.com/climate100.html

[5th MEB]

I don’t think Social Disruption, Dope Dreams, and Adventures In Anal Intercourse, are accredited science courses.

[5th MEB]

A human being only requires 4 things to live.
1: Water, pretty universally available if you know where to look.
2: Food, lots of it grows wild just about every where, didn’t have supermarkets 3000 years ago, killing meat ain’t that hard with a good stick.
3; Shelter, if you don’t know how to build a simple shelter, you deserve to die.
4: Guns and ammo, to get even with the bastards who put you in this position.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

And yet the only evidence in favor of climate warming was fake.

[TexasTransplant]

5 Things, not 4

But your Sister told me to Shut Up! Because you had Gran Ma’s Shotgun and her Sleeping Whiskey Jug.

We tip toed right pass ya

#5 is a Real quiet Sister that don’t a want ya ta die, till later.

TT

[TexasTransplant]

Just kidding, you are right ... especially #4

[CincyRichieRich]

Oh yes, it’s gone from global warming, to climate change, to just, “climate” now; so I don’t believe in “climate”.

So this island, is this the one the like-minded commie representative said might tip over?

[palmer]

There is the annual cycle that I showed above. CO2 rises in the (northern hemisphere) fall and winter and falls in spring and summer. That matches perfectly to uptake by greening vegetation and and output by dying vegetation. That means that natural uptake nearly balances natural output, at least for vegetation, and probably for annual warming and cooling of the oceans that outgas. In contrast to that, the secular rise over time is very small.

That is why man's output is 3 or 4% of nature's, because nature has output and uptake. Therefore you have to look at the net output of nature and the net output of man over a full year. Then it becomes a process of elimination that the 2-3 ppm rise year over year is due to mankind. If it was warming 800 years ago that is causing the 2-3 ppm rise per year now, there would have to be 0.2 to 0.3C of warming per year. Quite impossible.

If it is current vegetation loss that is causing the 2-3 rise per year then we would not see a 10 ppm rise and fall per year. If it is volcanoes causing the 2-3 rise per year, then we would have to see those and they are not there. Volcanic activity produces about 1/100 of man's output. For example a very large volcano like PInatubo produced about 42 Mt and mankind produces about 30Gt per year.

[palmer]

Yes, I would use the whole quote. It makes sense. As for the 100 reasons link, many are just facts that debunk various myths like “CO2 is too high” (it is not), “we will reduce CO2 output back to early 1900’s levels” (we will not without killing 99% of the population), “reductions in CO2 would make a difference in temperature” (they would not). That list is good not for “proving” CO2 doesn’t cause warming but for proving that CO2 makes no difference whether or not it causes warming.

[Bob434]

Once again palmer you IGNORE the FACT that temperatures ALWAYS rise first, and then many many many years later CO2 rises in greater and greater amounts

[[Then it becomes a process of elimination that the 2-3 ppm rise year over year is due to mankind.]]

What I ntrhe world has that got to do with the earth ‘warming’?

you have NEVER even bothered to answer how the increase EVERY SINGLE year by man has occurred yet temps remained flat for 2 decades- IF CO2 drives hotter climates, then every one of those years during that 2 decades would have been getting steadily hotter- instead they remained flat-

you keep trying to asset cause and effect, but the facts put the lie to this tactic- ice core samples always show that temperature rise first, and then many years later- sometimes as much as 1400 years later, CO2 rises-

please tell us all how just 0.0037% of our atmosphere can can possibly trap, and then back radiate enough heat to cause rising temperatures palmer-

Nearly 100% of the heat escaping the earth blows right on past this tiny amount of CO2- but you and htose who bleeive man is causing climate change seem to think the public is so guillible that we will believe that this tiny fraction of our atmosphere has some magical heat attracting capabilities and can absorb vastly more heat than it’s own weight, and can then back radite just the right amount of heat to overwhelm the earths temps and cause a rise in temps

The reality is that this tiny maount of CO2 can NOT trap enough heat, then then back radiate it (it only back radiates a FRACTION of the heat it captures- the rest get radiated In all direction except towards earth) in aN amount large enough to cause temps to rise- when that heat gets back radiated, it is either to a COOLER earth’s surface, OR to a HOTTER earth’s surface, which mneans that in EITHER scenario, it is NOT capable of causing a rise in temperatures- I nthe cooler temps scenario, there is NOT enough heat to cause a change- in the hotter scenario, again, there’s not enough to do anything, but even if there were, it would COOL the hotter temps

I’ve asked you the above question over and over and over again and you’ve never bothered to answer it

I’ll ask one more time- How can 0.0037% of our atmosphere capture enough heat and then back radiate a fraction of that captured heat to cause global climate change?

The world, whom governments are about to fleece like never before, is waiting for a coherent answer!

[Bob434]

[[As for the 100 reasons link, many are just facts that debunk various myths]]

That’s what I said in my post=- and many are just opinions- but many of them are actual facts that prove man is not causing climate change

[[That list is good not for “proving” CO2 doesn’t cause warming but for proving that CO2 makes no difference whether or not it causes warming]]

No sir- some of htep oints make that point, however many do not- they make the point CO2 does NOT cause warming