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The GOP establishment’s nightmare: What if the race comes down to Trump versus Ted Cruz?
Hotair ^ | 08/20/2015 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/20/2015 10:51:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Gooooood question by Scott McKay, and he’s not just blowing smoke. A Trump/Cruz death match, while still implausible, is more plausible than it might seem thanks to Cruz’s surprising fundraising strength. He’s got the dough to make a long run if voters give him a reason to keep going. And so does Donald Trump, of course.

Two populists enter, one populist leaves.

Cruz has regional strength in Texas and Louisiana, which could translate into his picking up Perry and Jindal supporters. Despite his clashes with Graham in the Senate, Cruz’ calls for a muscular foreign policy could appeal to the several dozen supporters the South Carolinian has amassed. Those of Christie’s supporters who came to him for his combative style might look to Cruz rather than Trump.

And then after the second round of dropouts, Cruz could gain even more support. Particularly should Paul leave the race; if he isn’t gaining ground, at some point he’s going to have to consider whether his smartest play won’t be to return to Kentucky to defend his Senate seat, and Cruz is a friend and partner in many cases (though for Paul so is Mitch McConnell, which makes for an interesting conflict). Should Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum drop out, none of the others has put in more work to attract the social conservatives they represent than Cruz…

We could see a situation where Trump is ahead on the strength of his performance in the early states and still leads in the polls, though he might have commenced fading in the face of the various challenges befalling a presidential candidate and the terror gripping the party of having to nominate a bull-in-a-China-shop like the real estate magnate has not subsided. But while the establishment might believe Trump is beatable, they could be without candidates to beat him.

Is that what those “secret” chats between Cruz and Trump are about? Some master plan to clear the rest of the GOP field between them? Suddenly I’m imagining a “special message” from Trump next spring, aired live from his office in Trump Tower, in which he reveals that his candidacy was actually part of an elaborate pincer movement to outwit the GOP donor class and pave the way for the man he’s really supporting for president — at which point Ted Cruz steps into frame. Then they both laugh mwa-ha-ha style as Karl Rove, watching from home, leaps to his feet and covers his mouth in astonishment. My God — it’s all so clear now.

McKay’s prediction: If forced to choose, the RINOs would swallow hard and opt for the devil they know, Ted Cruz, over the one they don’t, which I think is true. Establishmentarians value stability above all things and Cruz, at least, is a known quantity, however much they may disdain his ideology. Trump, although a moderate and therefore closer to them on most policies, is a true loose cannon. Forced to choose between a guy who’d threaten the status quo from the inside and one who’d do it from the outside, they’ll take door number one every time. Besides, Cruz is willing to make concessions to “electability” that Trump isn’t. Look no further than immigration to see the difference. Trump is out there screeching about mass deportations; Cruz concedes that some illegals should be legalized. And of course Cruz isn’t going to go out there as president and call the president of Mexico a “fat loser” or whatever.

So yeah, the establishment would go with the professional politician if they had to decide. And conservative voters, of course, would go with the true conservative. That was the significance of yesterday’s PPP poll out of North Carolina: When given a choice between Trump and Marco Rubio or Scott Walker, righties opt for the latter despite giving Trump fairly solid marks on favorability. Meanwhile, undecideds would line up behind the professional pol, knowing that he’d be less likely to alienate swing voters with his rhetoric in the general election and therefore would be more electable. And even some Trump fans, satisfied that the true RINOs in the race like Jeb Bush had been eliminated, would switch to Cruz knowing that he’s as anti-establishment in his own way as Trump is. I think Cruz wins the war with Trump easily.

But wait. Would the GOP establishment ever really allow a Trump/Cruz race to develop? Give me a scenario in which the early primaries play out and somehow the donor class gets caught flat-footed with Trump and Cruz the only two guys left who are viable. Imagine that they both do shockingly well early on — Trump wins New Hampshire, Cruz wins South Carolina, and one of the two of them wins Iowa. What happens at that point, with the “SEC primary” in the south on March 1st right around the corner? What happens, I think, is that establishmentarians settle on Marco Rubio as the last best “electable” hope of the party and throw an ocean of cash at him to get his message out.

Walker will be a dead letter at that point after having lost Iowa and Bush will be badly damaged from having lost New Hampshire. Meanwhile, Cruz and Trump will be out on the stump banging the drum about cracking down on illegals. The obvious solution for Beltway righties is to come together behind the young, rhetorically gifted, Latino candidate with the sky high favorable ratings in all the polls. If Rubio pulled off a win over Jeb in the Florida primary, that would put him right back in the race; meanwhile, all the “somewhat conservative” voters who think Trump’s a clown and that Cruz is too far right would eagerly swing behind him in a “save us, Marco!” effort. The Republican establishment didn’t get to be where it is by letting itself be outmaneuvered by populist insurgents, even if one of those insurgents has a few billion in the bank. If Walker and Bush have no victories between them after New Hampshire, they’ll come under heavy pressure from donors to drop out and back Rubio. And if one of them does end up with an early win, that guy will have enough momentum that he, rather than Rubio, will probably become the great establishment hope against Trump and Cruz, with loads of new money showered on him to keep him going through the primaries. There simply won’t be a binary Trump/Cruz choice at any point of this race, unless there’s some sort of total meltdown within the donor class.

Exit question: Are we sure McKay’s right that establishmentarians would prefer Cruz over Trump? I think they would for the reasons I’ve stated, but the one great virtue of Trump to a Beltway Republican is that he can, in theory, be coopted ideologically. You’ll have a hard time getting Cruz to go RINO because he’s an ideologue; Trump, whose politics are more eclectic, should be easier to sway. Provided you can get past the thought of “fat loser” name-calling during Rose Garden press conferences, that is.


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1 posted on 08/20/2015 10:51:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL, That would be great. That would be such a rebuke of the GOPe.


2 posted on 08/20/2015 10:53:16 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Cruz has always been my candidate, and the choice would be a simple one for me.


3 posted on 08/20/2015 10:55:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (qu)
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To: SeekAndFind

Somehow, I don’t think any of the encounters and/or discussions between Trump and Cruz are about a death match.

I’m guessing about a potential partnership down the road if Jeb can be sunk (I pray daily!).

However that shakes out, I’d vote for either one at the helm. I’m at the “scorched earth” point with any semblance of the Republican Party as anything meaningful to me other than a conveyance in a last ditch effort to sanity.


4 posted on 08/20/2015 10:56:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
DUH it will come down to that... thats what TRUMP is running FOR.. to PEROT ... Ted Cruz..

A blindman could see it.. {if not bedazzled}..


5 posted on 08/20/2015 10:56:42 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be simple for me too.

But I would choose Trump. Trump understands the trade issues and Cruz doesn’t.

I think Trump is more likely to win the general election too. I could be wrong, but I think Cruz is more likely to be a polarizing candidate even within the GOP, and more so outside.


6 posted on 08/20/2015 11:04:56 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t vote for a guy who wants to increase the number of H1B visa immigrants by 5 times.

Wages in the IT industry have been stagnant for over 10 years. Message to Ted Cruz: There is no shortage of IT workers!

Will not vote for Cruz if keeps up the H1B immigration charade.


7 posted on 08/20/2015 11:07:38 AM PDT by o2bfree (It would save $Trillions if the GOP Establishment would just drop dead. :-)
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To: Gaffer
I’m at the “scorched earth” point with any semblance of the Republican Party as anything meaningful to me other than a conveyance in a last ditch effort to sanity.

Same here, and with the rest of the REAL AMERICANS! The GOP is dead. It's only hope is a Trump/Cruz ticket, period. The rest are GOPe CoC shills that will say what needs to be said to get elected, and then turn around and do the opposite.

As far as I'm concerned, the only VIABLE candidates in this race at this point are Trump & Cruz.

8 posted on 08/20/2015 11:14:28 AM PDT by dware (Trump/Cruz 2016, or get ready for 8 more dummycrat years)
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Oh yeah, that would be horrible.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3327137/posts


9 posted on 08/20/2015 11:16:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rubio? Seriously? Bwhahahaha

Mr. Gang of 8 can go play with himself. I sure as hell will never cast a ballot for Marco. He is compromised goods.
Anyone that lays with Schumer, McCain and Graham doesn’t have this Country’s interest at heart.


10 posted on 08/20/2015 11:18:56 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The original 1998 version)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this just trying to stir up a fight between Trump supporters and Cruz supporters? Won’t work. Anyway, what that would mean is that the days of the estabishment GOPers are numbered.


11 posted on 08/20/2015 11:20:17 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: DannyTN

re: Cruz doesn’t understand trade issues. ?
He was domestic policy adviser for George W.
His wife, Heidi, was policy adviser for Condi Rice.


12 posted on 08/20/2015 11:20:26 AM PDT by GlockLady
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To: hosepipe

Oh bullshit he’s not running to derail CRuz. I like them both and would vote for either. Down with the RINOs and DEMs aka everyone else.


13 posted on 08/20/2015 11:22:34 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: GlockLady
"He (Cruz) was domestic policy adviser for George W."

Yes he was. And our trade deficit is now worse than ever.

14 posted on 08/20/2015 11:22:37 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll vote for Cruz no matter who the establishment fears enough to support.


15 posted on 08/20/2015 11:23:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: DannyTN

“He (Cruz) was domestic policy adviser for George W.”

Yes he was. And our trade deficit is now worse than ever.


True.


16 posted on 08/20/2015 11:28:29 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I believe if it comes down to the two of them, Cruz will drop out and endorse Trump. Then Trump will select Cruz as his running mate.

Later, if there is an opening on the court, Trump can nominate Cruz if he wishes and then nominate a new VP. This will put the Senate on the hot seat to confirm Cruz dfth confirming Lynch, and the whole Congress for confirming his VP nominee.

That is the real Congressional nightmare.

-PJ

17 posted on 08/20/2015 11:38:46 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Oh bullshit he’s not running to derail CRuz.


YES HE IS... to PROTECT the (other) crony capitalists..
It’s obvious.. glaring.. in your face..

Crony capitalism WOULD OVER under Cruz.. OVER..
and THEY KNOW IT.... up jumps TRUMP..
seems I’m dealing with children here.. jeeze..

DUH!..


18 posted on 08/20/2015 11:41:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind; DannyTN
A President's first duty is to uphold and protect and defend the Constitution by which he is allowed to serve. Without a framework of law, none of the "Blessings of liberty" are possible.

The lamp of liberty is being systematically extinguished by those in places of authority in America, and so-called "conservatives" use our means of communication to quibble about whether another arrogant presidential wannabe would be best because he understands commerce and trade--never mind that commerce and trade are meaningless unless deep respect for the ideas underlying our Declaration of Independence and Constitution fiercely defended before the world.

Perhaps we "conservatives" might consider what it is we wish to "conserve" in order to pass on the beacon of liberty to future generations. Even more importantly, what kind of qualifications are required of a leader in order to best assure the future of liberty?

Any American President's "agenda"--whatever it is--is intended by "the People's" Constitution to be subject to that Constitution's limits and bounds! An American President's "agenda," first and foremost, should have as its primary goal a strict adherence to and respect for that Constitution as the "supreme law of the land."

We might first look at the second President of the U. S., John Adams, a signer of the Constitution, who, in his First Inaugural's closing paragraph, laid out his understanding of the qualifications for the Office of President.

Inaugural Address of President John Adams

- (Excerpted & reformatted final words)

Philadelphia, March 4, 1797

“. . . as something may be expected, the occasion, I hope, will be admitted as an apology if I venture to say that

- if a preference, upon principle, of a free republican government, formed upon long and serious reflection, after a diligent and impartial inquiry after truth;

- if an attachment to the Constitution of the United States, and a conscientious determination to support it until it shall be altered by the judgments and wishes of the people, expressed in the mode prescribed in it;

- if a respectful attention to the constitutions of the individual States and a constant caution and delicacy toward the State governments;

- if an equal and impartial regard to the rights, interest, honor, and happiness of all the States in the Union, without preference or regard to a northern or southern, an eastern or western, position, their various political opinions on unessential points or their personal attachments;

- if a love of virtuous men of all parties and denominations;

- if a love of science and letters and a wish to patronize every rational effort to encourage schools, colleges, universities, academies, and every institution for propagating knowledge, virtue, and religion among all classes of the people, not only for their benign influence on the happiness of life in all its stages and classes, and of society in all its forms, but as the only means of preserving our Constitution from its natural enemies, the spirit of sophistry, the spirit of party, the spirit of intrigue, the profligacy of corruption, and the pestilence of foreign influence, which is the angel of destruction to elective governments;

- if a love of equal laws, of justice, and humanity in the interior administration;

- if an inclination to improve agriculture, commerce, and manufacturers for necessity, convenience, and defense;

- if a spirit of equity and humanity toward the aboriginal nations of America, and a disposition to meliorate their condition by inclining them to be more friendly to us, and our citizens to be more friendly to them;

- if an inflexible determination to maintain peace and inviolable faith with all nations, and that system of neutrality and impartiality among the belligerent powers of Europe which has been adopted by this Government and so solemnly sanctioned by both Houses of Congress and applauded by the legislatures of the States and the public opinion, until it shall be otherwise ordained by Congress;

- if a personal esteem for the French nation, formed in a residence of seven years chiefly among them, and a sincere desire to preserve the friendship which has been so much for the honor and interest of both nations;

- if, while the conscious honor and integrity of the people of America and the internal sentiment of their own power and energies must be preserved, an earnest endeavor to investigate every just cause and remove every colorable pretense of complaint;

- if an intention to pursue by amicable negotiation a reparation for the injuries that have been committed on the commerce of our fellow-citizens by whatever nation, and if success can not be obtained, to lay the facts before the Legislature, that they may consider what further measures the honor and interest of the Government and its constituents demand;

- if a resolution to do justice as far as may depend upon me, at all times and to all nations, and maintain peace, friendship, and benevolence with all the world;

- if an unshaken confidence in the honor, spirit, and resources of the American people, on which I have so often hazarded my all and never been deceived;

- if elevated ideas of the high destinies of this country and of my own duties toward it, founded on a knowledge of the moral principles and intellectual improvements of the people deeply engraven on my mind in early life, and not obscured but exalted by experience and age;

and, with humble reverence, I feel it to be my duty to add, if a veneration for the religion of a people who profess and call themselves Christians, and a fixed resolution to consider a decent respect for Christianity among the best recommendations for the public service, can enable me in any degree to comply with your wishes, it shall be my strenuous endeavor that this sagacious injunction of the two Houses shall not be without effect.

With this great example before me, with the sense and spirit, the  faith and honor, the duty and interest, of the same American people pledged to support the Constitution of the United States, I entertain no doubt of its continuance in all its energy, and my mind is prepared without hesitation to lay myself under the most solemn obligations to support it to the utmost of my power.

And may that Being who is supreme over all, the Patron of Order, the Fountain of Justice, and the Protector in all ages of the world of virtuous liberty, continue His blessing upon this nation and its Government and give it all possible success and duration consistent with the ends of His providence.” - John Adams, First Inaugural

Then, the Author of our Declaration of Independence and President of the U. S., Thomas Jefferson, in his 1801 Inaugural Address laid out what might be considered to be "qualifications" for the American presidency:
(Excerpt, "Our Ageless Constitution," p. xiv, reformatted)
"Let us, then, with courage and confidence pursue our own Federal and Republican principles, our attachment to union and representative government. Kindly separated by nature and a wide ocean from the exterminating havoc of one quarter of the globe; too high-minded to endure the degradations of the others; possessing a chosen country, with room enough for our descendants to the thousandth and thousandth generation;

- entertaining a due sense of our equal right to the use of our own faculties, to the acquisitions of our own industry, to honor and confidence from our fellow-citizens, resulting not from birth, but from our actions and their sense of them;

= enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man;

- acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter

—with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people?

- Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.

- This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.

"About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you,

- it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations.

- Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political;

- peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none;

- the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies;

- the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad;

- a jealous care of the right of election by the people—a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided;

- absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism;

- a well disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them;

- the supremacy of the civil over the military authority;

- economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened;

- the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith;

- encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid;

- the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason;

- freedom of religion; freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected.

These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety."


19 posted on 08/20/2015 11:52:34 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

Cruz is a quintessential conservative.
Trump is a populist.

Other than that correction, buy popcorn.


20 posted on 08/20/2015 11:52:38 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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