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Taking down ‘The Donald’
The Marietta Daily Journal ^ | August 13, 2015 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 08/12/2015 10:17:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If his Republican opponents will not take down Donald Trump, Fox News will not only show them how it is done. Fox News will do the job for them.

That is the message that came out loud and clear from last Thursday’s debate in Cleveland, which was viewed by the largest cable audience ever to watch a political event — 24 million Americans.

As political theater, it was exciting and entertaining.

But what was supposed to be a debate among the top-10 Republican candidates turned into a bear-baiting of Donald Trump.

Make no mistake. The issues Fox News raised were legitimate.

Trump’s threat to run third party, his remarks about women who have affronted him, the bankruptcies that four of his companies went through as he built his real estate empire — these are all fair game.

What was wrong here was that it was not his Republican rivals raising these issues or taking on Trump. It was the Fox News “moderators” of what was supposed to be a candidates’ debate. They came into the arena to do to Trump what his GOP rivals have been too timid or reluctant to do.

Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelly came with their oppo research done and attack questions prepared — to sack Trump in the end zone and send him to the locker room on a stretcher.

When did that become the job of a “moderator” who is supposed to be more of a referee than a middle linebacker?

Who decided to turn the first Republican presidential debate into a two-hour version of “The Kelly File”?

With the exception of Rand Paul on the opening question about Trump bolting to run as a third-party candidate, no Republican chose to follow up the Fox News attacks on Trump that were disguised as questions. They let Fox do the wet work.

The anger of Trump and his followers that he was being singled out and sandbagged is understandable, even if his reaction revealed that Fox News had drawn blood. Indeed, this debate will be recalled in political lore as the night Fox News tried to take down the Donald.

Did they succeed?

According to an NBC poll, taken in the 48 hours after Cleveland, Trump held first place and rose a point to 23 percent. Sen. Ted Cruz had vaulted into second place with 13 percent. Dr. Ben Carson had risen to No. 3 with 11 percent. Carly Fiorina, who was not in the top 10 a week ago, is now fourth with 9 percent.

Together, these four outsiders can claim the support of well over half of all Republicans, while the beltway favorites — Marco Rubio at No. 5, Jeb Bush at No. 6 and Scott Walker at No. 7 — can together claim less Republican support than Donald Trump alone.

Who won the debate? According to the NBC poll, it was Carson, Trump and Cruz in that order.

With a real opportunity to capture the presidency in 2016, those leading in the race for the GOP nomination seem to be among the least likely to amass 270 electoral votes. But those most acceptable to the establishment seem, as each month passes, to generate less and less enthusiasm.

Yet, what is now clear is that the Republican establishment wants Trump out of this race, and, frustrated at his continuing strong support, is less and less willing to wait for him to implode.

Over the weekend, we heard talk of a Kasich-Rubio ticket, or vice versa. Yet, in that NBC poll, Kasich remains dead in the water after the debate, dropping from 3 to 2 percent, while Rubio is at 9 percent.

A real danger is emerging here of the split inside the GOP deepening and widening. For if it is seen that Trump has not been rejected by the voters, but driven out the race by the establishment and the elites, the value of the nomination will be vastly diminished.

Thus far in this presidential season, the rise of the Republican outsiders, insurgents, nonpoliticians and anti-politicians reveals how far the people of the United States are estranged and alienated from their political leadership.

In the Democratic Party, too, we have seen the rise of outsider-insurgent Socialist Bernie Sanders to within single digits of Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, and the fall of Clinton to where she is underwater in the polls on issues of trust and, “Does she care about people like me?”

If there is one lesson to be taken from this run-up year to the presidential campaign of 2016, it is that a huge and growing segment of the nation does not want what the establishment of either party has on offer.

And as insurgent parties spring up all over Europe, and the two-party system disintegrates there, the Europeanization of American politics may be at hand.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; cultofpersonality; debates; megynkelly; trump
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To: sickoflibs
I still appreciate you schooling me on them babes.

No problem!




81 posted on 08/14/2015 10:36:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sickoflibs
Can we catch 'em SOONER this time?


82 posted on 08/14/2015 10:38:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj

I don’t really wanna segue into a discussion about Palin but I gotta say her lady of snows has jumped the shark big time after her endorsement last year of the liberal dem-endorsed candidate for Alaska Governor, who sadly won narrowly and has wasted little time in libtarding it up.

My opinion of her began to cool long before that, going back to when she abruptly quit her office, but I still felt confusion and disappointment at that monumentally horrendous endorsement. And I was a very early fan of hers, from when she ran for LT Governor in 2002, I was suggesting her for VP during a time when mentioning her name here got a “Who the hell is that? The fresh elected Governor of where? You’re nuts”.

I’m quite done imagining ANYONE as a Reaganesque messiah.


83 posted on 08/14/2015 5:16:01 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: NFHale

84 posted on 08/14/2015 9:12:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj

“...I’m quite done imagining ANYONE as a Reaganesque messiah...”

My friend, I hear you...

Reagan was one of those once-in-a-lifetime figures. I think we need to worry less about “the next Reagan” and more about getting someone who can - and WILL - get the Beast back under control.

If that’s even possible.


85 posted on 08/14/2015 9:13:33 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Oorah, brother.


86 posted on 08/14/2015 9:18:34 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Catsrus
I would be quite happy with a Cruz presidency, but, although he says all the right things and has the conservative bonafides - there is something that is keeping me from totally committing to his campaign

Same here. He's obviously a smart guy, well-spoken and able to articulate his positions well, he has a real lack of experience working against him.

87 posted on 08/14/2015 9:32:35 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Anyone stupid enough to follow that path for whomever the democrats put up, needs thorough trashing...

But I doubt anyone serious to support that after he does jump ship to publically, and verifiably admit that after the fact...


88 posted on 08/15/2015 3:40:16 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I will settle for a "perfectly good, gently used" kidney...Apply within...)
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To: MaxMax

Well, all kidding aside you do have a good point there...

I just do not believe Trump will have the energy, much less the support going into the convention season with enough to get the nomination...

So if he jumps ship, more power to him...

He can go back to making gobs of money...


89 posted on 08/15/2015 3:42:36 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I will settle for a "perfectly good, gently used" kidney...Apply within...)
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To: Impy; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj

Donald Trump Campaign Song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWxBrI0g1kE

Indestructible.

My own personal theme song as well...


90 posted on 08/15/2015 5:33:04 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; Impy
I appreciate you guys.

It always gets nutty on these sites in primary season but we are not hating each other , even after a bunch of these primaries.

BTW, I joined ‘Black Lives matters’ and they taught me that your personally owned guns out in the suburbs of PA are killing young blacks in Baltimore City.

Would you mind a gun safety law that puts you and your family's safety in the hands of police if it can possibly (no promises) save one black child's life???

OH-OH, I can see the vanity now.:

Title : ‘A word about the 2nd Amendment’

Body :‘SOL said : Take away our guns to save black kids’

Comment 1 : ‘SOL wants to take our guns away, why is he still allowed to post here??
Please ping him to tell him that you hate him. ‘

91 posted on 08/15/2015 11:50:42 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The tme for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs; Impy

“...Would you mind a gun safety law that puts you and your family’s safety in the hands of police if it can possibly (no promises) save one black child’s life???...”

Um.. let me think...
No Fin’Way


92 posted on 08/16/2015 12:36:54 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; sickoflibs; Impy

““...Would you mind a gun safety law that puts you and your family’s safety in the hands of police if it can possibly (no promises) save one black child’s life???...”

Um.. let me think...
No Fin’Way”

Yeah, I like this one: )


93 posted on 08/17/2015 8:24:49 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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