Posted on 07/29/2015 9:26:25 AM PDT by barmag25
The University of Cincinnati is reportedly closed down this afternoon as police officers prepare for potential riots over the death of an unarmed man who was killed by university cops during a traffic stop last week.
Samuel Dubose, 43, who is black, was shot and killed by white UC Officer Ray Tensing after Tensing reported that he was “dragged” by Dubose’s vehicle and “had to fire.” The shooting, called “not good” by Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell, was captured on Tensing’s body camera and is set to be released today:
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Ok thanks. I guess I misunderstood.
So...police pull me over...asks me to step out of the car...I say "no"...he's free to shoot me? How about if he asked me out on a date and I refused? Still grounds for being blown away?
Silly me, I thought the bar for deadly force was set just a little bit higher than that. Like as a last resort and only when the officer's life and safety or the life and safety of bystanders was at risk. How does that fit in to this situation?
Well, I did watch the video....so, if that counts as a "short cut," then I guess I took a short cut....
Cop arrives at court house to turn self in with Attorney. Pic.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TMironesWCPO/status/626446238716678145/photo/1
Don't kid yourself. In many jurisdictions, campus police are considered regular police officers. In VA, for example, all public university campus cops are considered state police. I had a friend who got jumped from behind by a campus cop during class change (the cop said that he was crossing the street illegally... along with about 2000 other students during class change. The cop said he yelled for my friend to stop walking, but my friend didn't hear him... being in the middle of 2000 other people. So the cop ran up and clonked him on the head with a baton). He threw the cop off of his back onto the ground, then stopped fighting when he saw it was a cop. He got charged with felony assault on a state policeman for it.
The nation is quickly getting divided into those who have to obey the law and those who are above the law. This will not end well...
So if an officer shoots someone who is not complying with his lawful commands, but is also not threatening the officer (or anyone else), that's not a crime? It's just a training issue? Seriously?
Karin Johnson WLWT @karinjohnson 45m45 minutes ago
Deters: when you see this you won't believe how quickly he shoots dubose in the head #SamDubose
Karin Johnson WLWT @karinjohnson 45m45 minutes ago
Deters: officer was not dragged. He fell backwards after he shot dubose in the head #SamDubose
Karin Johnson WLWT @karinjohnson 47m47 minutes ago
Deters: dubose did not do anything violent to the officer. I feel sorry for the family and community. #SamDubose
It appears the victims car rolled a few inches forward, the cop immediately blew his head off, and the car lurched forward...With the cop running after the vehicle with a dead man behind the wheel.
Don't waste your time. There is a contingent here on FR who believe that LEOs are a superior class of people. A circumstance that would not justify a civilian to use lethal force is OK for an LEO, because the LEO is [insert BS here]. The fact that our entire nation was FOUNDED to oppose this idea never even crosses their minds. You might as well argue against communism with a leftist. Logic is not in their repertoire...
Prosecutor Joseph Deters on public response to traffic stop shooting: ‘Everyone seems to have behaved themselves. The family has spoken out, saying any protests should be peaceful’
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It is a training issue. After two weeks paid administrative leave.
It is summer you know, don’t you want a couple weeks at the lake.
And asking you out on a date is not a "lawful command." I'll assume you were just tryng to be funny. Trying.
That’s why the city will fight. They’ve had upper middles dumping millions in the OTR area. Just featured in the MLB all star game, it is craft breweries, restaurants, and rentals for yuppies. It’s the growth area in Cincinnati. It’s the new light rail route. They’ll shed blood before they have that taken from them.
Closest riot area to university would be north college hill, an area about 7 miles north of the university.
I didn’t say that.
You were asked “What does he have to do to be considered criminally responsible?”
Your response was, “Shoot someone who is complying with his lawful commands.”
Which indicates that anything short of shooting someone who is complying with his lawful commands should not result in criminal responsibility.
So yes, you did say that. You may not have meant to say that. But you did.
You missed a kind of important word there.
Also, by whatever standard, that is simply not what happened in this case.
Yes, I do read what I write.
The situation was set up for the real potential for rapid violence.
Driver was pulled over for “no front plate” - the kind of inane excuse commonly used by police to further investigate reasonably suspicious but not having probable cause.
Driver handed over a bottle of gin from the front seat. This reveals possible violations from “open container” to drunk driving. Tension mounts for both driver & cop.
Driver casually places hand on door in possible preparation of shoving it open to knock over cop, allowing driver to either flee the vehicle or flee in the vehicle. Tension mounts for cop (if he made this connection), the action being either entirely benign & normal or showing preparation for violence.
At this point, the video goes from stable showing a peaceful scene to extremely chaotic, shot fired, cop racing away from the vehicle.
SOMETHING set the cop off.
SOMETHING caused him to VERY rapidly draw & fire.
Yes, the last clear moment (now we await raw footage so we can further examine frame-by-frame) shows the driver COULD shove the door open very fast & hard.
A moment later something ensues which is entirely consistent with the driver doing exactly that. Whether it did, we’re still not sure - but it’s the only sane explanation I see so far.
Even one of the speakers stated “I don’t think the officer woke up and decided he would kill someone that day.”
Yes, I’m concerned with that “COULD”.
Yes, I read what I wrote. And I hit “Post”.
So far, I see evidence for one way, and not for the other.
And nobody is talking about the gin.
I hope you’re right. Daughter has many close, dear friends still there. One of them was mugged a couple of months ago there. Broke his ribs and his arm, left him for dead. He sat on the side of the road for a day before anyone helped him. It’s a pretty upsetting story. White guy though, so not news.
Hard for me to tell much from that video, as I can't see what the driver's right hand is doing. Did they find any weapons in the car? Will the cop be allowed to tell his side of things as to why he fired, or have the rules changed on such things?
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