Posted on 07/20/2015 12:02:47 PM PDT by Kevin C
Donald Trump said Saturday that "I am not sure that I have" ever asked God for forgiveness, telling the 2015 Iowa Family Leadership Summit that "I just go on and try to do a better job from there.
"I don't think so," Trump, who is Presbyterian, said in response to the question from pollster and summit host Frank Luntz. Trump was among 10 Republican presidential candidates at the daylong event in Ames, Iowa.
"If I do something wrong, I think I just try to make it right," Trump said. "I don't bring God into that picture. I don't. "When we go into church — and when I drink my little wine, which is about the only wine I drink, and have my little cracker — I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness. I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed, OK? "But, to me, that is important," Trump said. "In terms of officially, I could tell you absolutely. I don't think in terms of that. I think in terms of, 'Let's go on and let's make it right.'"
When Luntz first asked the question, Trump said that he was Presbyterian and that his pastor was the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale, the author and longtime pastor of Marble Collegiate Church in New York City. He died in 1993 at 95 years old. "That's a tough question," is how Trump began his initial response. "I am a religious person. I'm Protestant. I'm Presbyterian. People are so shocked and they find this out. "I go to church. I love God — and I love my church," he added. "The great Norman Vincent Peale was my pastor. He was so great. He would give a sermon, and you'd never want to leave."
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Donald Trump has repeatedly stated that he is agains’t abortion and he has told the story that brought him to that belief. There is no reason to think he is lying.
Just in the interest of reality abortion ie roe v wade is the law of the land and there is zero chance the Supreme Court is going to change their mind anytime soon.
Gay marriage is now the law of the land thanks to the Supreme court. That’s not likely to change anytime soon.
So trying to flog presidential candidates on these issues is like beating a dead horse. There is nothing they can do about it anyway. If Trump says he’s agains’t abortion and believes in traditional marriage which I have heard him say over and over then I guess he is.
So save the anger over these two issues for the Supreme Court.
There never was a "monopoly" (as if a Church whose bishops would even take up arms against one another could ever be a smoothly run corporation). That's a painful anachronism.
And the only requirement for absolution was to show up and say "I'm sorry."
The whole notion of "Catholic guilt" is a modern invention retrojected upon medieval Christianity by anticlericals.
The biographies and autobiographies of medieval Christians are inconveniently free of any corroborating evidence for this supposedly pervasive culture of "guilt."
Just wanted to see what the standards for evaluation were.
God gave me a good brain, and a strong body.
It is up to me to use those gifts from God.
God has no obligation to carry my burdens.
I have prayed a lot for success during my life.
But I never begged God to solve my problems.
If I did something stupid, it is not God’s fault.
It is my own fault for not using my brain.
Good for Trump. At least he didn’t pull out a five pound Bible and say “Vote for me. I’m a Christian.” I remember several past presidents who did that.
These are the deep questions and sometimes the gotcha questions that the liberal media never ask the Democrats. The media sound very much like those tricky Pharisees who were always trying to get Jesus into trouble.
Is that a quote from Pelagius?
Don’t know Pelagius. Those words are a summary of teachings from my Hindu Father.
Well Presbyterian Eucharistic liturgy is quite short on seeking forgiveness of sin, save for their use of The Lord’s Prayer:
“...and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors....”
One would guess Trump never meant it, or wasn’t listening to himself.
Not exactly what he said
No one knows what is in another person’s heart.
If someone tells you they are a Christian and they go to church which Trump does and they take their whole family as Trump does then who are you to question him?
I hate for this to fall into a discussion of religion, but what organized religion does not use guilt as one of it’s principal tools?
We all have guilt and some of us are sorry for our misdeeds. There would be no need for confession or absolution if we did not know guilt. If you take Trump’s whole statement, he states, with limited respect for the church, that communion, lifts him. We all need faith, but we should never forget that most churches are in business to build the church before building faith. That’s not from the mouth of a socialist or an atheist.
Donald Trump’s relationship with God is his own business as is yours and mine. So get off the I know who’s a Christian soapbox.
God must not be too pizzed off at Donald since he let him make $9 billion.
My advice to you is to concentrate on your own salvation and Christian faith and let me and Donald and the rest of America worry about ours.
The rest of what you say is pure nonsense. I can't tell you how many times in my childhood I was told by people in religious orders that I was going to hell. In fact, I can't even tell you how many times I was told that in first grade. If this gun is not a weapon in the arsenal of religion, then why is it drawn so often? Answer: because you're full of baloney.
Address your future posts on this topic to "all" because I won't be reading them. You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about, and having a "discussion" with such a clueless ind invincibly ignorant person is a waste of my time. Every child physically and psychologically tortured by nuns and remonstrated without mercy by priests knows exactly what I'm talking about. And you DO NOT.
Agreed. But only someone without introspection would applaud his own every move.
That was a very good post, in my opinion.
If this is true I sincerely pity the man. He is in desperate need of some spiritual counseling.
And the MSM purge continues......
Maybe he should have sworn an allegiance to the church of Osteen? Or maybe the church of Jimmy Bakker or the House of Swaggart. Lets throw in the Church of "tongues" hosted by Robert Tilton and even add some pedophile Catholics.........
There, does that cover the spectrum of purity your candidate needs to fulfill?
Don't bring your personal religious beliefs into politics because it's unlikely there will be a candidate that will ever fullfill your demand for religious perfection......
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