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Trump Supports National Health Care (2011)
Business Insider ^ | 04.18.11 | John Ellis

Posted on 07/19/2015 10:46:06 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

"We must have universal healthcare," wrote Trump. "I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses."

The goal of health care reform, wrote Trump, should be a system that looks a lot like Canada. "Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork," he writes.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; abortion; arizona; deathpanels; election2016; johnmccain; newyork; obamacare; rino; senatorjohnmccain; senatormccain; trump; zerocare
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To: Above My Pay Grade

You still think you can pick a nominee.

I’m concerned.

Hillary probably enjoys abortion. She has no qualms about killing adults either. Trump holds enough of the absolute top values for me to want him over Hillary. Look, he has proven it on one value alone.

AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE THE TRUTH. THE GOVERNMENT IS OUR HOUSEKEEPER. WE ARE THE BOSS OF THE GOVERNMENT. Trump has proven courage against the dishonest machine in Washington and the press.


61 posted on 07/19/2015 12:22:55 PM PDT by Yaelle (Trump is the Political Plumber, flushing out the PC sewer. So what if we see a little butt crack?)
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To: Yaelle
You have hillary or you have trump.

To say it is between Hillary and Trump is absurd. Ted Cruz is a conservative candidate. If and until he loses the nomination and if and until lifelong liberal Donald Trump gets it we still have a choice.

62 posted on 07/19/2015 12:25:32 PM PDT by South40 ("I probably identify more as a Democrat." ~Donald Trump)
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To: John S Mosby

The burden of healthcare should NEVER have been put on businesses.

Back in the day, insurance was a way for employers to entice the best workers. They could buy group insurance for much less than the employee could find individually. So the VALUE for the employee was much more than the cost to the employer.

Win-win.

But then the feds and the unions made it mandatory for all full-time workers.

What was ‘something nice to have through your employer’ became inspected.

The burden of healthcare on business was a freaking accident and it should be corrected immediately.


63 posted on 07/19/2015 12:30:24 PM PDT by Marie
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To: Yaelle
"Trump, whatever he feels about abortion or gay marriage or healthcare, seriously, IS BETTER THAN HILLARY."

I hear you loud and clear, Yaelle. You're openly encouraging support of a Democrat on this conservative forum. Then, digging deeper, you say he's acceptable even if he's pro-abortion or pro-queer marriage.

And somehow you expect this Democrat you're pushing to be good for the country.

Let me be clear. You make me sick. You're not only a coward who won't fight for a conservative candidate---you're also incredibly, stunningly, inexplicably stupid and lacking in even basic principle.

But the last thing you are is conservative.

64 posted on 07/19/2015 12:30:36 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: Marie

Common, FR. Give us an ‘edit’ feature. At least for a few minutes...


65 posted on 07/19/2015 12:32:26 PM PDT by Marie
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To: CatherineofAragon

I like Cruz. I’ll happily push for him, support him, and pull the lever for him.

But I actually think that Trump can do more damage to the opposition if he is given the reins.

I’m struggling to see another candidate that will do better with foreign policy than Trump. I’m struggling to find a candidate that’ll wield that power like a bludgeon as Trump will. I’m struggling to find a candidate that can deal with the economic mess that we’re in. Heck, *I’m* scared of what Trump will do with ISIS.

WE need to deal with the social issues. We’re losing the public support on that front. It’s not up to the government to foster morality. That’s on US. We the people have some responsibilities in this system.

If you want government to sculpture morality as they see fit, then you should be thrilled with the SCs decision on gay marriage, because that’s exactly what they did.


66 posted on 07/19/2015 12:40:29 PM PDT by Marie
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To: Marie

Correct—that it started to “attract workers”, more precisely it was to attract better management people, product developers and research , and executives with win-win on profitability and value.

In their ever present quest to “equate” labor with management (a socialist bent, including the pay scale “equalization” push still going on), the unions hooked onto this and demanded it as a worker benefit. To shut them up- the benefits were deductible to the companies, as was the cost (this negotiated through Congress). Post WWII it was Kaiser shipbuilding and many others who started the “HMO” idea.

Teddy Kennedy pushed the HMO’s and ERISA and a whole lot of cash machines for tort lawyers.. in order to have them FAIL, and derive nationalized nightmare healthcare. Everything Lord Monckton has said would come true— has. We are headed for further failure and complete govt. healthcare which will be a disaster. But... companies will no longer pay for it— we all will. A nightmare.


67 posted on 07/19/2015 12:42:54 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: lewislynn

They all support something like Canada’s (single payer) system (because that’s what Trump said)?

Ted Cruz supports single payer?
Scott Walker does?
Carly Fiorina does?


68 posted on 07/19/2015 12:58:25 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Obama loves America the way OJ loved Nicole)
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To: Yaelle
If Trump is a Democrat he is better than Hill.

And we have a guy named Cruz who is better than both of them combined. How about getting FR to support a proven, true conservative?

69 posted on 07/19/2015 1:01:55 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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To: Marie

More rationalization for supporting a Democrat.

Sorry, but no.


70 posted on 07/19/2015 1:04:43 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: John S Mosby

You’re awesome. :)


71 posted on 07/19/2015 1:09:40 PM PDT by Marie
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To: CatherineofAragon

Who are you FOR. Argue FOR your candidate. Do a compare and contrast.

Name calling is not working.

Build an argument and maintain your position. (You’d be surprised at how many people will listen)


72 posted on 07/19/2015 1:13:04 PM PDT by Marie
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Cruz might be the man, but only with Trump in the race. He is positioning himself to pick up the votes that Trump leaves behind when he bows out.

Look, if Trump is the evil, liberal stalking horse that any true conservative instinctively despises, then why is Ted the only candidate not jumping on the “Take a dump on Trump” bandwagon?

I hope and pray that Ted Cruz isn’t beholden to the GOPe, and with a few exceptions, he appears to be the real deal. I think he would make Hillary or Sanders look like fools during the debates.

I worry that he’d be unseated as ineligible if elected by SCOTUS, since he’s already declared them to be enemies of liberty, but then his pick for Vice President gets the post. Maybe the Supremes wouldn’t have the stones to do it, and we get President Cruz. Best scenario.

A more likely GOPe/Rat gambit would be to have his name removed in a State before the election. Case gets fast tracked to SCOTUS and they declare him ineligible. Then it’s President Hillary.

How about this nightmare? Trump wins with Cruz as his VP, and resigns. Cruz becomes President, and appoints a Veep. Scotus rules him ineligible and voids his Veep choice.

President Boehner.


73 posted on 07/19/2015 1:16:00 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Marie

I’ve done so. Repeatedly.

I’ve also worked at providing ample proof that Trump is a liberal Democrat. Mostly it was ignored, but now I understand why...so-called conservatives are just fine with it.

People who think that way should expect to be pegged for exactly what they are.

If that bothers you, it’s your conscience trying to get your attention.


74 posted on 07/19/2015 1:20:28 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Hogwash, “something worse.”
Last weekend, in either Las Vegas or Phoenix, Trump clearly said, “We must repeal every word of Obamacare and replace it with something better and less expensive.

We will allow shopping for and marketing of insurance across state lines and introduce competition into health insurance. So that most everyone can afford it. And we MUST help those who cannot help themselves. Face it; we MUST!”

In this day and age, I’m realistic enough to know that there’s no going back. The genie is out of the bottle. But she can be directed and channeled if handled correctly.

And Obamadontcare is so lousey that replacing THAT mess with something better will be a piece of cake. Obamadontcare was NOT designed primarily to provide affordable insurance. It was designed to give the government control over the citizens of the United States!


75 posted on 07/19/2015 1:20:54 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: M1911A1
Look, if Trump is the evil, liberal stalking horse that any true conservative instinctively despises, then why is Ted the only candidate not jumping on the “Take a dump on Trump” bandwagon?

Because he knows Trump is going to destroy himself, as you said in your first paragraph. He knows Trump can't help it because he can't keep his mouth shut.

You notice Cruz isn't actively attacking other candidates either. He's the only one playing by the 11th Commandment.

Cruz would, and will, dominate the debates. He's got enough money in the bank already to get to the convention. And once enough people see that Donald Trump is nowhere near the conservative he claims he is, Cruz will be there to pick up the pieces.

76 posted on 07/19/2015 1:26:30 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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To: Tucker39

Yes. I fully understand that he’s changed his tune now that he’s seeking the GOP nomination.

I also fully understand that in 2011 he didn’t have a motive to lie the way he does now


77 posted on 07/19/2015 1:31:06 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Obama loves America the way OJ loved Nicole)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Guess we’ll just have to hide and watch, won’t we?


78 posted on 07/19/2015 1:39:53 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: Yaelle

Good point about Trump/Cruz...

Trump offends too many people, but I think we’re at the point where we need someone who has the courage to speak out.

The leftwingnuts are already alienated by anyone right of center. So no big loss if we piss them off some more. They’ll never see the light anyway about free markets.

I disagree with Trump a lot (he’s a successful seat-of-the-pants businessman who has never studied Milton Friedman and Austrian economics), but I’d sure like to see someone who is as blunt as Trumpet is swinging for the fences.


79 posted on 07/19/2015 1:41:42 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

You seem pretty darn reasonable. What are your thoughts on Ted Cruz being born in Canada, with a Cuban father and American mother? Papa Cruz didn’t become a US citizen until years after Ted was born.

Is that enough to give SCOTUS room to declare him ineligible?


80 posted on 07/19/2015 1:44:35 PM PDT by M1911A1
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