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Here’s a Way to Control Guns (Dumb)
New York Times ^ | July 17, 2015 | By DAVID K. BRAWLEY, OTIS MOSS III, DAVID BENKE and JOEL MOSBACHER

Posted on 07/18/2015 4:13:54 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

NEARLY three years ago, in the days after the mass killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School, President Obama went to Newtown, Conn., to speak at a vigil for the victims. He spoke movingly, and seemed to embody the nation’s outrage and its determination to reduce the number of people killed with guns in America. “Do not lose heart,” he told the families of the victims. He said he would use “whatever power this office holds.”

He has not done that. He tried one lever of presidential power — proposing legislation. When that didn’t work, the president failed to move the other levers in a meaningful way.

For more than a year, we and fellow religious leaders across the nation have worked to persuade President Obama to use what we believe is the most powerful tool government has in this area: its purchasing power. The federal government is the nation’s top gun buyer. It purchases more than a quarter of the guns and ammunition sold legally in the United States. State and local law enforcement agencies also purchase a large share. Major gun manufacturers depend on these taxpayer-funded purchases. For the government to keep buying guns from these companies — purchases meant to ensure public safety — without making demands for change is to squander its leverage.

Some of the leading brands of handguns purchased by the government — Glock, Smith & Wesson, Sig Sauer, Beretta, Colt, Sturm, Ruger & Company — are also leading brands used in crimes. Among the brands of handguns recovered by the Chicago Police Department at crime scenes between January 2012 and October 2013, all six of these companies ranked in the top 11. . .

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Statistically 62 percent of U.S. gun deaths result from suicide.

Most gun manufacturers are refusing to do business with New York State police agencies to demonstrate that the 2nd Ammendment is more important than government contracts.

1 posted on 07/18/2015 4:13:54 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It was never about “the children”. It was always about control.

0vomit is/was easily distracted. He dances to the tune of his puppeteer. Other opportunities for more control and destruction of America came along, so he went with that. (Gay marriage, Iran nukes, flooding the country with illegals, race riots, .... )


2 posted on 07/18/2015 4:19:33 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wow....it took four NYT stooges to write this trash piece. Four brains combined and not an intelligent phrase in the whole article.


3 posted on 07/18/2015 4:20:21 AM PDT by ImNotLying
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The freest company in this country is the one that does absolutely no business with the Federal Government.

We see what famous “Colt’s” dealings with the Federal government has wrought - virtual abandonment of the civilian market product line both in quantity and quality.

Now, with dwindling orders from government and competition from other AR platform manufacturers who build just a well and sell cheaper, they do not know what to do. This is true for a lot of the well-known others. (S&W, Springfield, Beretta USA, etc.). You just can’t slap a “Tactical” on the name and make it a quality firearm.

The one outlier from this in my experience/opinion is Ruger.


4 posted on 07/18/2015 4:25:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“purchases meant to ensure public safety”

But individuals shouldn’t be aloud to make purchases for personal safety? No. Of course not. Personal safety is a liberty thing.


5 posted on 07/18/2015 4:33:14 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

We don’t need gun control, we need totalitarian control. Round them up and ship them to North Korea en masse.


6 posted on 07/18/2015 4:56:50 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Gaffer

Mr Ruger got the message we sent, lo those many years ago.


7 posted on 07/18/2015 5:10:28 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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"Major gun manufacturers depend on these taxpayer-funded purchases. For the government to keep buying guns from these companies — purchases meant to ensure public safety — without making demands for change is to squander its leverage."

Nonsense. The profit margin on gov't issued/gov't contract firearms is not very high, and that's if they aren't sold at a loss. Glock being able to say, "The FBI issues Glocks" results in a lot of retail sales of Glocks to civilians.

Of their "leading brands of handguns"; Glock is Austrian, Sig Sauer is German, Beretta is Italian, and Colt is bankrupt. They would tell Obama to pound sand. Sturm, Ruger & Company and Smith & Wesson previously drank the gun control Kool-Aid and it just about destroyed their sales. (Colt also did and it helped bring them to Bankruptcy Court, along with a lot of other bad management decisions.)

8 posted on 07/18/2015 5:11:56 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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Remember when we were told (in the Clinton administration) that cheap imported AK's and SKS's from China were a terrible threat to public safety and their importation had to be banned?

So since criminals can't easily get cheap Chinese guns anymore, now it's expensive American guns the gun grabbers are going after.

The real objective is always and only to end civilian gun ownership.

All of those manufacturers know that the civilian market is bigger and more dependable than the government market, and all of them know that jumping into bed with the gun grabbers almost put Smith and Wesson out of business a few years ago.

9 posted on 07/18/2015 5:13:25 AM PDT by Campion
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To: wastoute

I have 6 pistols and one rifle from there. Every one a masterpiece IMO. Their SR1911s are the best on the market as far as I’m concerned for a standard product.

I’ve also got a few $1000+ weapons from Colt, and some very expensive revolvers from S&W in a variety of flavors. There is no comparison of these with the Rugers.


10 posted on 07/18/2015 5:15:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Brad from Tennessee

NYC should join the EU and stop pretending to be American.


11 posted on 07/18/2015 5:15:57 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: Gaffer

Ruger started to play footsie with the Clinton’s in the 90s, you may recall. Whatever percentage of firearms the feral gummint buys the manufacturers soon learn We by the rest. Sort of like the GOP dissing it’s base, do so at peril.


12 posted on 07/18/2015 5:21:51 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

Yes, I knew. It’s hard to find one that hasn’t been intimidated by government. But their quality hasn’t suffered like the others, IMO.


13 posted on 07/18/2015 5:27:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ImNotLying

“Four brains combined and not an intelligent phrase in the whole article.”

...and every one of them thinks that hey have the infallible intelligence of gods.

IMHO


14 posted on 07/18/2015 5:36:00 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley

I guess at the NY Slimes they never heard of settled law.


15 posted on 07/18/2015 5:54:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Change the Defense of Marriage Act to the Defense of Holy Matrimony Act. Game, set match.)
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To: Campion

Actually after all the talk, B Clinton gave the Chinese a waver so they could import several hundred thousand SKSs.

They were so cheap you could get one for less then $50.

While the Chinese were bringing in the SKSs they were also smuggling in full auto weapons for the gangs in LA, the same gangs that started the LA riots in 1992 that helped get B Clinton elected.

You might also recall during B Clinton’s 1996 reelection campaign, while the Chinese were arming up the gangs with full auto weapons, B Clinton and company were ginning up civil unrest claiming black churches were being burned and if B Clinton wasn’t reelected the KKK would be back, blacks would be denied the vote and blacks would be put back into slavery.

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

The Clintons couldn’t possibly have known the Chinese were arming up the gangs with full auto weapons while he and his campaign were doing everything possible to gin up civil unrest.


16 posted on 07/18/2015 5:57:03 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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It was called “Operation Dragon Fire”. The Oakland Tribune ran a short news blurb how customs found 2 cases of full auto non serialized AK’s from a COSCO ship that came through the port of Oakland. Then it disappeared down the memory hole.

The prime importers were Norinco and Polypro Industries and who was their US agent/representative in the US, why Dick Blum of course. His name ring a bell?

A lot of these AK’s are still out there and I have a suspicion that the full auto AK that was used in Carson City to shoot up the NG members at a pancake house may have been one of the left overs.

17 posted on 07/18/2015 8:44:51 AM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt KowalskiAll handicaps are not readily visible do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: Sooth2222
[The profit margin on gov’t issued/gov’t contract firearms is not very high, and that's if they aren't sold at a loss.]

Government is also a notoriously slow paying customer.

18 posted on 07/18/2015 10:07:16 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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[The one outlier from this in my experience/opinion is Ruger.]

I have a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle and for me it's the best all around rifle I've ever owned.

19 posted on 07/18/2015 10:18:41 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Maybe one day before I die I’ll get around to getting one.


20 posted on 07/18/2015 10:21:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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