Posted on 07/02/2015 2:56:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
In this message, recorded at College Church in Wheaton, Illinois on March 17, 2015, pastor and author Kevin DeYoung addresses a difficult and often controversial topic: what does the Bible really teach about homosexuality?
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“There is something perverse about these developments.”
There is something demonic about these developments.
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No offense intended. Just wanted to give the Scriptural passages some perspective so that they would be understood in their actual light. One of the passages you mentioned gave the death penalty as a result of performing homosexual acts, but this penalty is part of the Mosaic Law and not applicable to us Gentiles. You would find this if you kept reading the Book all the way through.
Ping for a bit later.
Yes, demonic is the better word choice.
It depends on what is meant by sodomy. Seriously. Some people believe oral sex, aka oral sodomy, is an unnatural sex act. The Bible, however, says very little about sex within a marriage, except it’s highly encouraged so as to keep each other from sexual sin. I’m not going to say what is or isn’t permissible within marriage, but certainly spouses are supposed to love and take care of each others needs in that regard.
All sex outside of marriage is sinful of course. In that sense there’s no reason to make a separate distinction for sodomy, because even normal, heterosexual intercourse between non-married adults is sin.
Mark.
Thanks. I found this on Wikipedia. This explains why my buddy joined the PCA. Members of PCA are basically in accord with my Baptist brethren.
In 2014, in response to media confusion between the PCA and the PCUSA, the stated clerk’s office issued the following:
There are several Presbyterian denominations in America. Sometimes people mistakenly attribute the views or actions of one Presbyterian denomination to another. The “Presbyterian Church in America” (PCA) is an evangelical denomination in the Reformed theological tradition. The PCA, like other Evangelical, Conservative, Orthodox, and Traditional Christians from many denominations, believes that, from creation, God ordained the marriage covenant to be a bond between one man and one woman, and that understanding is what the Church has always believed, taught, and confessed. Therefore, we believe that the divinely sanctioned standard for sexual activity is fidelity within a marriage between one man and one woman or chastity outside of such a marriage. Throughout history, there has often been a conflict between the unchanging standards of biblical ethics that the Church seeks to maintain and the changing social practices of the culture. The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) has not redefined marriage nor does it intend to do so.
—L. Roy Taylor, Stated Clerk, General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in America
PCA on Abortion:
Abortion would terminate the life of an individual, a bearer of God’s image, who is being divinely formed and prepared for a God-given role in the world.” The 14th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in America, reaffirms our church’s pro-life and anti-abortion stand, and that we communicate our position to the President of the United States, the Supreme Court, and the United States Congress; further, that we encourage our pastors and sessions to emphasize this position of our church in the congregations and communities in which they serve.
PCA on Homosexuality:
Homosexual practice is sin. But just as with any other sin, the PCA deals with these people in a pastoral way, seeking to transform their lifestyle through the power of the gospel as applied by the Holy Spirit. Churches should actively seek to lead the homosexual person to confession and repentance that he might find justification and sanctification in Jesus Christ, according to I Corinthians 6:11; Hence, in condemning homosexual practice PCA claim no self-righteousness, but recognize that any and all sin is equally heinous in the sight of a holy God. The Presbyterian Church in America is committed to the sanctity of human sexual relationships. PCA believes that God’s intent in creation was that male and female would be complementary, that the privilege of sexual expression would be between male and female only, and this expression would be only in the context of marriage. Both heterosexual and homosexual sexual behavior outside of marriage violates the human spirit and distorts God’s intent for men and women. In light of the biblical view of its sinfulness, a practicing homosexual continuing in this sin would not be a fit candidate for ordination or membership in the Presbyterian Church in America.
Okay, not a problem. :)
Just answering back what you wrote me.
This clarification isn’t meant to offend but to clarify. The man I’m referring to stated explicitly that sexual intercourse between men was perfectly okay with the teachings of Christ. He further stated that Christ didn’t care a wit about what the Old Testament said (which left me dumbfounded). He stated further that Christians should discard the Old Testament in toto and move into the 21st century. To him Jesus was non-judgmental! “Go, and sin no more?” Non-judgmental? Hardly.
He literally claimed Christ said it was OK for homosexuals to sodomize each other? That’s one powerful delusion! It would be better to be a nonbeliever than to claim to be a Christian and endorse sin. He literally claimed Christ said it was OK for homosexuals to sodomize each other? Wow!
Yes! He also stated that the part in Matthew where Christ references the union of a man and woman being one flesh through marriage may have been hearsay. Again, he was a Episcopalian by admission. I don’t believe for a moment that he speaks for all Episcopalians. He did say he sees nothing wrong in having avowed lesbians and gay men in the pulpit. Indeed all members of the LGBT community would be okay with him. He implied that any opposition to these ideas would put one on the wrong side of history. I informed him in the most emphatic terms that I’d opt for being on the wrong side of history.
Worth listening to the entire thing.
The Episcopalian church in America has gone full blown homosexual. Just like PCUSA.
Bump....
There is a scientific argument against homosexuality. Homosexuality is abnormal (whether by birth or upbringing is immaterial) and to reward it with complete equality to heterosexuality is absurd on its face.
So why is it abnormal? Simple. There is one characteristic common to all life, the ability and drive to procreate, to survive (there are no life forms that are immortal). Homosexuality by definition is a biological dead end. As a corollary, being born blind, or becoming blind by other means, is abnormal. How do we know?...because nature gave us eyes so we can see. One can argue both are disabilities. Should we discriminate against that blind person?..while most people would say we shouldn’t, we do it all the time...we don’t issue them drivers licenses, allow them to operate helicopters, perform brain surgery, fight on the battlefield, and countless other things.
Some might say, homosexuality is present in only 2-3% of the population, so should it really matter...but homosexuality is still abnormal, regardless if there was only one or a billion, nor does it matter if its caused at birth or comes about after birth, just like with a blind person.
So, should we have unlimited discrimination against people who are homosexual? In most respects, absolutely not (just like with the blind, and others with disabilities)...but I view marriage as an exception...Since there is no scientific evidence of a homosexual gene (after a lot of searching), it is far more likely that homosexuality results from post birth factors...by allowing homosexuals to marry and raise kids we may in fact be contributing to a sexuality that is proven to be abnormal.
Another away to make my point. Assume God like powers for a minute. You have to decide one issue - the nature of life throughout the universe, and you have 3 choices. A) all life is heterosexual, B) all life is homosexual c) flip a coin, heads: heterosexual; tails: homosexual. If you believe homosexuality is just an alternate life style, and equal to heterosexuality, the right choice is C - although there is a 50% chance you will extinguish all life in the universe. Of course, the only logical choice is A.
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