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"And for those who say the marriage decision yesterday is the law of the land, it is fundamentally illegitimate, it is wrong, it is not law, and it is not the constitution."
1 posted on 06/27/2015 6:32:59 PM PDT by VinL
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To: VinL

Better yet, get the state out of the business of issuing marriage licenses.


2 posted on 06/27/2015 6:39:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society cannot let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous Islamists.)
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To: VinL

We have opt-out in NC (recently became law).


3 posted on 06/27/2015 6:40:06 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: VinL
The bakery cases already handled this one.

You will not be able to opt out. A homosexual can force you to do business -- they will bankrupt you and destroy you if you try to opt out.

All the strategies come together, like they have a plan. Because they do.

4 posted on 06/27/2015 6:41:26 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Henry Bowman where are you?)
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To: VinL

Churches can render this irrelevant tomorrow by simply refusing to solemnize any and all state “marriages.”

Caesar has defined his sodomite marriage, let him solemnize it.


6 posted on 06/27/2015 6:43:53 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools.)
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To: VinL

One guy on the national stage that isnt afraid to stand against this.

SCOTUS has written in its own power from the start, and we have allowed them to live out this fantasy that was never granted to it by the founders. They have grown fat and happy with their lifetime appointments, and hubris has rotted out the legitimacy we have as allocated to it because we have bought the myth that they are an impartial group that would never engage in such naked disregard to the constitution.

Dred Scott, Row v. Wade, and Kelo, along with a slew of others, shows us that this band of demented idiots cannot simply exist as a virtual council of lords with no recourse outside of a constitutional amendment. They can deiced 5-4 to upend out civilization, but we have to win 2/3rds votes in two houses of Congress and then 2/3rd of all the states to fix it?

This farce needs to end. Cruz should make it a cornerstone of his run.


8 posted on 06/27/2015 6:47:33 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: VinL

someone in the government said that the clerks who refused must resign...


11 posted on 06/27/2015 6:53:44 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: VinL

Sadly, I don’t believe there will ever be any option for someone doing a “government” job (from city/town to county to state to federal) ever being able to “opt out” of doing a homosexual marriage because they have legitimate religious objections. That has and will continue to be an indignity of holding such employment. It isn’t right, but that is the nature of the beast. It makes me sick to my soul to have to concede that. It will take a new POTUS (like Cruz) that has the backing of a House and Senate to change this. Until then....?

What MOST concerns me are “private businesses” being harassed by ANY level of government because they refuse to offer services to homosexuals if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. That is clearly an infringement of 1st Amendment rights. IF homosexuals want to boycott a business...so be it. However, NO level of government bureacrate should aid and abeit such a thing. Any level of government that has or attempts to force a business to violate 1st Amendment beliefs (or passes any such legislation to do so) is violating the COTUS and should be themselves prosecuted. On this point stand firm.


19 posted on 06/27/2015 7:11:15 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: VinL

BTW - God Bless both Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee for taking strong stands on this issue. May God protect them both.


21 posted on 06/27/2015 7:13:01 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: VinL

I think the county clerk in Parker County, TX is already testing that theory


23 posted on 06/27/2015 7:18:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: VinL

End all this foolishness. Charge same sex couples $200,000 for a marriage license.


37 posted on 06/27/2015 8:07:27 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: VinL

If Barry Soetoro can ignore the Law, so too can We (for the next 18 months)


40 posted on 06/27/2015 8:32:47 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: VinL

Did Cruz say that?


45 posted on 06/27/2015 8:56:37 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: VinL

Factoid:

Rat Romney (GOP, carpetbagger) began this entire thing
by FORCING Clerks to obey him and start gay marriage.


55 posted on 06/28/2015 5:06:29 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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Alabama Senate Passes Bill to Effectively Nullify All Sides on Marriage


58 posted on 06/28/2015 5:29:28 AM PDT by deport
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To: VinL
Why should one need a religious objection, to nullify an illegitimate edict?

Why would the state of Texas even put the clerks in a position of having to choose? The state is trying to have it both ways, follow the order as if it was legitimate, but allow individuals to steer clear of the state's acquiescence.

63 posted on 06/28/2015 5:48:07 AM PDT by Cboldt
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86 posted on 06/28/2015 4:27:43 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: VinL
Cruz is missing the mark on this one. A Priest, a Rabbi, and a Mullah, are different than a county clerk. Does he think people are now going to be allowed to marry in Indian temples? I understand what he is trying to do but he is trying to fight it from the wrong direction

Muslims taxi drivers try this crap all the time. If no one can do anything because of political correctness, nothing will get done. Everything is going to offend someone somehow.

He should work on getting the law changed, not joining the "I can't do my job because I am offended" crowd. The DMV line is long enough without some Atheist refusing to serve me because of his beliefs.

87 posted on 06/28/2015 6:51:58 PM PDT by Brour1929
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To: VinL

“We should respect diversity and tolerance,” Cruz added. “There is this liberal intolerance and fascism that seeks to force Bible-believing Christians to violate their faith, and I think it makes no sense.”

Cruz in the first round...by a Knockout!!


88 posted on 06/28/2015 7:05:52 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: VinL; All; cripplecreek; Antoninus; wagglebee; Lazlo in PA; napscoordinator; AmericanInTokyo; ...

It’s not just Texas where this is going to be an issue.

Here are three articles about a deputy clerk in my county (first from a conservative Christian magazine, then a response from a liberal organization, and then the Christian magazine editor’s response with links to other coverage).

http://www.worldmag.com/2015/04/a_clerks_struggle

https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/clerk-s-conundrum-mo-official-says-she-will-not-issue-marriage-licenses-to

http://www.worldmag.com/2015/04/americans_united_for_firing_christians

This could blow up in our county soon. A homosexual couple tried to get a marriage license on Friday in our county and was denied. We’ll see what happens Monday.

Our state governor is a Democrat who (if media reports are correct) has told our state’s circuit court clerks to issue gay marriage licenses. That means our clerks cannot expect the protections which a Texas clerk may have.

Personally I’m conflicted on this issue. The clerks are administrative officials; I’m not at all sure we want them making policy or refusing to enforce laws. I sympathize with the argument that a Mennonite or Quaker clerk might refuse to issue gun permits, or a Muslim clerk might refuse to issue a liquor license. The difference is that in those cases, the voters would probably throw the clerk out of office in most counties. In our county, I have little doubt that a clerk who ran on a “no gay marriage” platform could win by a landslide.

To make matters more complicated, the supervisor of the deputy clerk profiled in this article is a conservative Democrat who has served for years, generally got re-elected by large margins, just last November won re-election by a large majority over a Republican, and was almost the only local Democrat to win last fall. I have no idea what she will do beyond defending her staff’s religious convictions. The elected circuit court clerk is herself a Southern Baptist, for whatever it may be worth, and many of her deputy clerks are evangelicals.

My guess is that sooner or later one of the deputy clerks in our county will agree to do the paperwork, but it may take some time to find one willing to do so.


89 posted on 06/28/2015 10:58:10 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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