OK that's it. Beam us up. I'm outta here.
Posted on 06/26/2015 9:31:08 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
[Note: this is an update to an article originally posted on May 4, 2015]
Today the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 in favor of same sex marriage in all 50 states. My friends, we are witnessing the end of federalism in our nation. In a single vote, 5 folks basically just told the states to “stick it.”
Furthermore, we are in effect nullifying the First Amendment.
Consider this: what happens when a gay couple goes into a church wanting to plan a ceremony and the pastor says no? We now have a conflict between the First Amendment and individual behavior.
Dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia summed up his disgust with this ruling in a footnote on page 7 (note 22). He says, “If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: ‘The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,’ I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.”
With this ruling, the Supreme Court is essentially saying individuals have civil rights based on their sexual behavior, and setting up a monumental battle with the free exercise of religion. This could well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back – that camel being the up till now silent, passive Americans who have been cowed into “tolerating” societal changes that go counter to their fundamental beliefs.
As reported by the Christian Post in April, “The United States Supreme Court may soon liberate the biblically conservative church from old “prejudices” that should have long ago been “jettisoned,” forcing it into “rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity,” in the words of a recent writer in The New York Times.”
“Homosexuality must be removed from the “sin list” and, according to an MSNBC commentator, traditional marriage proponents must be forced “to do things they don’t want to do.” Sadly, this crusade will be like the Marxist “liberation” movements that promised to “free” people, but really were about control and suppression. The culmination may come as the Supreme Court hears oral arguments on same-sex marriage cases beginning April 28. By July 1 the Court possibly will issue an official ruling regarding the constitutional right to homosexual marriage. The Court’s decision may impact the form of biblically based churches dramatically. Churches that hold to a strict and conservative interpretation of the Bible’s teaching about gender and marriage may find themselves “Romanized”. The elites of first century Rome would not allow the church an institutional presence in society. “The Christian churches were associations which were not legally authorized, and the Roman authorities, always suspicious of organizations which might prove seditious, regarded them with jaundiced eye,” writes Kenneth Scott LaTourette.”
I found the statement “rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity” as rather odd. And the comments from the MSNBC commentator of “traditional marriage proponents being ‘forced’ to do the things they don’t want to do” as somewhat threatening.
These statements by progressive socialists are indicative of a lack of regard and respect for the First Amendment right of religious liberty. Here is where I see an incredible philosophical battle looming. Now that SCOTUS has ruled there is a constitutional right to marriage – which I fail to see how that could be construed — and the radical gay left decides to push the envelope against churches, it will be a strategic miscalculation for the liberal left.
This is why the solution of civil unions should have been the solution. If the country is “forced” to accept something that goes counter to a traditional value, there will undoubtedly be push back. And that push back will result in a galvanizing issue which I do not believe the liberal progressive left fully comprehends.
It’s simple — in the 2012 presidential election there were some five to seven million evangelical Christian voters who sat it out. They were not inspired and therefore did not participate. However, I believe with this decision, the left has overextended itself — as it has already based on courts overturning electorate decisions – and you will see a social conservative issue that will have greater prominence. Some on the center-right will say, drop it, that’s a bad policy recommendation. This issue will not lend itself to dismissal and cognitive dissonance — there must be a solution. The social conservative issue of marriage will not be thrown upon the ash heap. It shouldn’t be the prominent issue, but it does have cross interest appeal.
The Christian Post postulated, “What happens if local churches that do not embrace same-sex marriage find their legal status shaky or non-existent, as well as parachurch groups, conservative Christian colleges, church-based humanitarian agencies, and all other religious institutions – Christian and otherwise – supporting the traditional view of marriage. Without state-recognized corporate status everything from mortgages and building permits to employment and hiring practices is threatened – all of them essential for institutional function.”
“Journalist Ben Shapiro notes that there is already a movement on the state level “to revoke non-profit status for religious organizations that do not abide by same-sex marriage.” The Supreme Court’s decision could make churches refusing to comply “private institutions engaging in commerce,” and therefore subject to laws already in place. Refusal to perform a same-sex wedding would put a church out of business. Current trends seem to flow against conservative religious institutions. All the elites that set and propagate cultural consensus are aligned in support of same-sex marriage – the Entertainment Establishment, Information Establishment, Academic Establishment, and Political Establishment.”
However, are the entertainment, information (media), academic, and political establishments truly representative of American culture? Or do they just have a more prominent position, making us believe they have a majority opinion?
There has been little talk about how, during the Obama wave of 2008, same-sex marriage ballot proposals in two states did not win as liberal progressives and the gay left had hoped – in Florida and California. The quiet point that no one wanted to comprehend was that countless droves of black voters swarmed to the polls. And as they voted for the “first black president” they did NOT vote to bring about gay marriage in their states. Why? Because of traditional biblical beliefs. Now, in 2008, Obama stated he didn’t support gay marriage — when he decided to flip flop — the hushed-up secret was the anger and disdain this caused with many black pastors and ministers. We all know the Democrats wholeheartedly depend on an obedient black electoral patronage — what if 25 percent of blacks say no?
And let me be clear, the Hispanic community is very religious, traditional and family-oriented as well. An ill-conceived assault against the church — a rallying point across the minority communities — could bode dismay for the liberal progressives of the Democrat party heading into the 2016 election year. It could be a policy issue that works against the left and galvanizes those who support traditional marriage.
I know there are folks on the liberal progressive left who frequent this website. So here is my message. The Christian church community is a lot bigger and more powerful than you think — they kept a Republican from winning the White House. And these aren’t just old white men – there’s a growing young Christian constituency. You can criticize the Christian right all you want, but surrendering one’s faith principle for political gain is not a viable proposition. And in the case of prosecution of the Christian church, there could be a rallying of churches, regardless of race, the likes of which this nation has not seen.
The SCOTUS decision on same-sex marriage is not about the issue itself — it is about individual religious freedom and the imposition of the State’s will against faith. After all, it is the original reason why the Pilgrims fled England. And since there is no place for men and women of faith to retreat — they will make a stand. This ain’t first century Rome.
Lyndon Johnson
Tom Harkin
B Obama
Bill Clinton
Al Franken
Dick Gephardt
Hubert Humphrey
Just to name a few. You might want to look up Peter Pan on that one pal!
FLYOVERLAND? Talk about a crock of hawg drippins if ever there was one. Why don’t you take a quick roster of “flyoverland” All Stars, past and present:
Lyndon Johnson
Tom Harkin
B Obama
Bill Clinton
Al Franken
Dick Gephardt
Hubert Humphrey
Just to name a few. You might want to look up Peter Pan on that one pal
The posturing going on by religious leaders and politicians over gay marriage is sick-making.
Almost 60 million babies have been butchered, and EVERY ONE of the fifty governors has obeyed the USSC, and refrained from enforcing his state’s abortion laws. Not a single governor has ever whispered the word “secession” in response to the federal government’s command to permit baby-butchering.
And we’re supposed to believe that there is going to be “civil war” to prevent weddings between people who only want to be happy, who aren’t harming anyone, who only want the world to acknowledge “who they love”!
they're not too good at procreating, either ...
they'll immediately start infiltrating that, too ...
Protestants put Obama in the White House, not Catholics.
Actually, women of all denominational stripes won it for Obama...and Bill Clinton...
guess who they’ll vote for next time...?
“Even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote”
Perhaps as an aside, this little phrase really needs to be paid attention to .
It speaks volumes about how the Supreme Court works behind the scenes.
BS.
Conservatives in the US are unwilling to fight for their beleifs.
The Liberals are and they have won the battle for America.
Its 100% over.
Canada is fare more conservative and is not racist against whites or Christians.
OUCH!! The truth hurts!
Look for, before the end of July, homos to actively seek out evangelical churches that refuse them in order to bring down the wrath of the State on that church.
Only if they can get a court to take up their case...with the right to SSM now the law of the land, a state court may logically say to the homos ‘You have a perfectly valid right to a marriage by any justice of the peace in the country’, and refuse to hear a case simply regarding denial of a church ceremony...
It will take an activist court somewhere to bring them relief, and that won’t happen by this July...
However, in the long run, this scenario you describe will come to pass...
They’ll find a judge, or a prosecutor, to do just that.
You have to realize that attacking churches is not an ancillary result of “gay marriage” being codified -
it is the REASON it was codified.
I don't think the voting booth is going to correct anything in the near future.
OK that's it. Beam us up. I'm outta here.
Which of the governors currently in power do you anticipate will raise infantry regiments for the purpose of kicking all federal officials out of their states?
They’ll find a judge, or a prosecutor, to do just that.
Again, only if that judge or prosecutor wishes to act as an activist...remember, with the law now codified, their exists no bar to homo marriage, therefore, there is no imperative for a court to render relief...
It no doubt was one of the unforeseen consequences of fighting for national SSM...
it is the REASON it was codified.
that is immaterial; they will still have to find a court willing to hear a case concerning ‘inequality’ where no inequality is involved, and thus no remedy for it available...
Yes, somewhere down the line an activist judge can be had who will hear a case regarding the ‘right’ to have a marriage in a church...but, logically, the homos cut themselves off at the pass by pushing for a national law...
Or, as seems more likely, most people will either agree with it or shrug their shoulders.
I think it would start in Texas and then spread.
I, for one, firmly resolve to lie like hell to get on any jury I can, then let the defendant walk so long as the case is Malum Prohibitum.
“Or, as seems more likely, most people will either agree with it or shrug their shoulders.”
Exactly right. It’s not the 19th century. There’s not going to be an uprising. In places like Texas the rhetoric will be a little more heated for a while but in the end it’s just rhetoric. Texas likes those Fed dollars and the out of state business money as much as everybody else.
I expect there will be sound & fury and that’s all.
In the end we will ultimately endeavor to persevere.
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