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Democrat Jim Webb gets it right as he breaks ranks with the fashion of the moment
American Thinker ^ | 06/25/2015 | James Longstreet

Posted on 06/25/2015 8:01:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jim Webb, Reagan’s former Secretary of the Navy, former Virginia Senator and oft mentioned Democrat candidate gets it right regarding the great battle flag issue.

You see, other than his political history, Jim is a historian. I read his book “Born Fighting," a book which gives the history of prominent Scots Irish people in our nation’s history. Ronald Reagan, Andrew Jackson among others. He respects history and he and I exchanged emails after I congratulated him on his work.

Here are some of Mr. Webb’s comments. It is a brave moment for Mr. Webb but also a refreshing one. He is a person standing up for what he believes is correct even though he is out of step with the fashion of the moment. He also happens to be exactly on point.

From the Daily Caller;

“ (we must) respect(s) the complicated history of the Civil War,”

“The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.”

“We should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South. It was in recognition of the character of soldiers on both sides that the federal government authorized the construction of the Confederate Memorial 100 years ago, on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery.”

Mr. Webb, being a former Navy Secretary, might have mentioned that Robert E. Lee had a nuclear submarine named after him in 1956, but now they call for his statues to be razed. . Which begs the question, “What changed?”


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: confederateflag; jimwebb
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1 posted on 06/25/2015 8:01:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
This whole notion of getting rid of this flag is totally misplaced. If we are going to do something with substance, we should ban the political Party that upheld slavery without apology.

It is the Democrat Party that has this heritage of hate. No Republican EVER held slaves - ONLY DEMOCRATS. The Democrat Party has NEVER apologized for slavery! If we are going to ban anything meaningful because of slavery - BAN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY !!!

2 posted on 06/25/2015 8:03:19 AM PDT by celmak (Never been banned - but those who throw lies have)
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrat primary voters do not value free thinkers.

They value political correctness and marching in lockstep.

Webb had a very slim chance to begin with. Now he is effectively sunk.

Socialist Bernie Sanders is the only one left standing in the way of the Clinton machine juggernaut.


3 posted on 06/25/2015 8:05:42 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: celmak

“BAN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY !!! “


Now there is a real Democrat idea. If you disagree, ban it.

Besides, the problem is not the Democrat party. They are simply doing the bidding of their “diverse” membership. The Republican party is the one selling their supporters down the river.


4 posted on 06/25/2015 8:11:35 AM PDT by Tupelo (I fell more like Phillip Nolan every day.)
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To: celmak

Why thw %^&* can’t we just throw the responsibility on the Charleston murderer who took the gun and pulled the trigger? Our nation is really screwed up for not just doing that elementary task of making the perp guilty and responsible for his own actions.


5 posted on 06/25/2015 8:28:00 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: celmak

You or anyone ever heard the GOP mention to the media or the voters that the party of segregation, racism, slavery , and the KKK were Democrats? No me neither.


6 posted on 06/25/2015 8:30:31 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

NAACP==>Democrats==>the new Apartheid


7 posted on 06/25/2015 8:32:20 AM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm. Okay, so let me get this straight. If “we” find something to patently offensive all we have to do now is demand any and all references to it erased? Well, I find that slavery was really offensive so I guess we need to remove all reference to it from the history books and take down any plaque or monument referencing it and viola, evathing thang goin’ be awright. Dang that was easier than I thought. Now, moving on to the offensiveness of the dem party........... :>}


8 posted on 06/25/2015 8:33:08 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: celmak

Time to get serious about erasing the stain of this KKK recruiter from these places:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd

Repeat: KKK recruiter


9 posted on 06/25/2015 8:37:52 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SeekAndFind
We should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South.

With the doctrinaire blockheads on the left this most certainly will not compute. To them, life is like a Disney movie where the bad guys are the bad guys - no nuance, no acceptable alternative perspective.

Their whole worldview crumbles into the fever swamp of their minds if they allow their brains to engage.

10 posted on 06/25/2015 8:39:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

“and that many non-slave holders fought for the South.”

It is common knowledge to anyone who knows Civil War military history that the vast majority of the Confederate Army/Navy/Marines was made up of non-slaveholders.


11 posted on 06/25/2015 8:47:00 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: SeekAndFind

“and that many non-slave holders fought for the South.”

It is common knowledge to anyone who knows Civil War military history that the vast majority of the Confederate Army/Navy/Marines was made up of non-slaveholders.


12 posted on 06/25/2015 8:47:01 AM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: SeekAndFind
Uh, an ineligible and criminal administration?
13 posted on 06/25/2015 8:51:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We've seen this before. There's a master race. Now there's a master faith." Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Morpheus2009
Why thw %^&* can’t we just throw the responsibility on the Charleston murderer who took the gun and pulled the trigger?

Because when a muslim commits an act of terror, he is not representative of Islam. But when a lone white Southerner commits a crime, he is representative of Jesus Christ and all white Christians, especially southerners and/or males, worldwide, for all time.

14 posted on 06/25/2015 8:55:21 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We've seen this before. There's a master race. Now there's a master faith." Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Tupelo
Now there is a real Democrat idea. If you disagree, ban it.

Besides, the problem is not the Democrat party. They are simply doing the bidding of their “diverse” membership. The Republican party is the one selling their supporters down the river.

Then join the Demorats.

15 posted on 06/25/2015 9:03:07 AM PDT by celmak (Never been banned - but those who throw lies have)
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To: celmak

Cute. real cute.
Not too intelligent, but cute.


16 posted on 06/25/2015 9:07:38 AM PDT by Tupelo (I fell more like Phillip Nolan every day.)
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To: Morpheus2009
Why thw %^&* can’t we just throw the responsibility on the Charleston murderer who took the gun and pulled the trigger? Our nation is really screwed up for not just doing that elementary task of making the perp guilty and responsible for his own actions.

I agree, but whatever the agenda/premise/argument/etc., is, it needs to be addressed - we cannot ignore it. until we control the agenda/premise/argument/etc., we are stuck fighting on their terms.

17 posted on 06/25/2015 9:12:43 AM PDT by celmak (Never been banned - but those who throw lies have)
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To: rktman; SeekAndFind

I posted this in another thread, but you hit the point:

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What you said illustrates the greater problem.

I happen to think Admiral Bill Halsey was one of the greatest fighting men this country has produced, and he has had schools, roads, bridges, etc. named after him, and rightfully so.

It isn’t too much of a stretch to think of a circumstance where he becomes a persona no grata because during the war he unleashed tirades of what would today be called racist vitriol.

His memory and what he stood for are dear to me. But I don’t have to think too hard to see a situation where someone agitates to have his name removed from a school or road somewhere.

Look at what we have now. Just thirty years ago, people would have thought you were insane if you described a fraction of the weirdness we see today with respect to this type of “cleansing”.


18 posted on 06/25/2015 9:17:10 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant.)
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To: rlmorel

Further extending liblogic, any and all U.S. veterans should be ashamed for putting their (our) lives on the line for such an evil and dastardly country.


19 posted on 06/25/2015 9:23:16 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: Tupelo
Not too intelligent, but cute.

You have a better idea than to point out what really should be done rather than banning the Confederate battle flag, then do it. I say countering with a slogan to ban the Demorat Party evokes the history of that Party.

If you have a better idea on how to address Demorats that try to hang that flag and its perception of slavery/segregation/racism on Republicans - bring it to the table. Otherwise, I suggest you keep your liberal remarks to yourself.

Whatever the agenda/premise/argument/etc., is, it needs to be addressed - we cannot ignore it as you have. Until we control the agenda/premise/argument/etc., we are stuck fighting on their terms. You have a better idea, instead of your quips to join the Demorats?

20 posted on 06/25/2015 9:24:58 AM PDT by celmak (Never been banned - but those who throw lies have)
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