Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.
First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.
The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.
That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:
http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy
Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:
19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars
Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:
The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?
Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.
Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?
I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.
Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?
Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.
What's been your favorite response to the story?
When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.
Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?
I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.
http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:
The Wrap reported in 2013:
But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.
These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/
The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.
These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.
My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?
My son has never done anything inappropriate. This whole thing is about the Duggar family, not mine. I still do not understand why their Christian views, or the mistakes of their son while he was a juvenile can manage to stir up so much hate by others. If you don’t see the hate then you are in denial. I am not an apologist for the Duggars and they can make their own decisions about how they choose to practice their own Christianity.
I read the police report. He touched them above the clothing.
Read what he did to the then 8yr old.
It was a felony, btw.
You exhibit such disgust for someone who has inappropriately touched his sisters to the extent that there is no further hatred left for people who have done far worse abuses.
Your sense of proportion seems out of whack
Here I thought protecting children was a virtue and child molesters were not to be trusted. Guess I was wrong.
I am not making light of it, I am pointing out that there are various degrees which fall under the umbrella of that definition. I don't consider them all deserving of equal punishment. It depends on what he did, which is one of the things i'm trying to find out.
They are arguing that it wasn’t “records”, but police reports. Apparently minors are fair game on police reports.
Let this show, again, that the gaystapo is not interested in justice or equality. They want the absolute destruction of anything they don’t like.
Jackson and Sharpton will go away once they get paid off.
The gaystapo is not interested in money. They want you destroyed. Like the cake bakers in Oregon and Idaho. They want you penniless and homeless. There is no redemption in their world.
Katherine o’kelley is her name. Springdale interim chief.
Lesbian.
HUGE gay agenda champion
It isn’t ‘hate’ to point out that fingering your 8yr old sister when you’re 15 is much more than ‘mild inappropriate touching of a very curious hormonal teen’. It’s a felony.
It isn’t hate to point out that when the parents told about the ‘inappropriate touching over clothes while they were asleep’ that completely contradicts their sworn statements to the police ‘06 they lied in the interview or to the police.
JimBob had ample opportunity to hitch up his big boy pants and be a man and take responsibility for what happened, all of it, without being specific enough to mention any of the details involving any of the victims. That he and Michelle decided to downplay (deceitfully) with untrue specifics doesn’t endear them.
And where’s the 27yr old perp? Does he not own big boy pants? Why send out the tearful victims? He should never have allowed his sisters to do that interview. He should have manned up and done one instead, and let the chips fall where they may.
Lots of boys in that family. Sadly, no real men.
And it’s this total lack of men that those with an agenda sense and are going after. Target rich environment in that household for that agenda apparently.
He didn’t make an excuse.
There is also no excuse for releasing information on minors.
First...do a Google search of "doj study on juvenile sex offenders molestations"
Plenty of hits to look at.
First one for me is listed as www.ncjrs.gov
Its from the Department Of Justice.
Page 1: Juveniles account for more than 1/3 (35.6%) of those known to police to have committed sex offenses against minors.
Page 2: The number of youth coming to the attention of police for sex offenses increases sharply at age 12 and plateaus after age 14.
Page 3: Multiple short- and long-term clinical followup studies of juvenile sex offenders consistently demonstrate that a large majority (about 85–95 percent) of sex-offending youth have no arrests or reports for future sex crimes.
Bingo.
Congrats. You have some sense.
Used to, Freepers would evaluate a story more carefully before trying to tow the liberal line. I am saddened and so disheartened at that total lack of grace and mercy I’ve seen in FR Re the Duggars. Just fermenter, most hated them WAY BEFORE all this. This is just a chance to take them down.
Thank you. If I had have known, I would have put that in the original post.
Josh didn’t get any licensed therapy as a juvenile. His licensed therapy didn’t occur until at least ‘07.
What’s the stats for that?
That's funny. It was fine and dandy to hate all of the few hundred thousand Catholic priests for what a handful of queers who lied their way though seminary and were then protected by an even smaller handful of Bishops did, so, sure.
What's 21 people to those who can hate hundreds of thousands Catholic priests and millions of Catholic lay people based on 99.5% false claims and a very few queer perverts who actually did molest kids ?
Seeing the double standard some people have when they argue on behalf of not tarring the whole family with the same brush is simply amazing.
If it was a Catholic family you can bet your bottom dollar a lot of the people defending this family would be all for hanging the lot of them. That sort of folks refused to admit that what was going on was the traditional democrat fascist tactic of "divide and conquer" in action so now all the nice little folks who love to point fingers are in line as the next targets for the likes of SNAP.
Those who were cheering over the insane sums the Catholic Church paid out to settle dubious claims rather than stay in court for decades can now deal with very, very, well funded queers coming after them or their church.
Christians in this country wouldn't hang together but boy do they whine as they're hanged separately.
JMHo
How is he being held accountable now that he wasn’t 12 years ago??
Very well said.
I apologize; I misread the sentence containing "juvenile son."
" I still do not understand why their Christian views, or the mistakes of their son while he was a juvenile"
Again, repeatedly molesting your minor sisters does not qualify as "mistakes." The boy was old enough to be in high school and to know right from wrong.
Again, the Duggars are members of a cult.
" can manage to stir up so much hate by others."
Again with the "hate".
" If you don’t see the hate then you are in denial. I am not an apologist for the Duggars and they can make their own decisions about how they choose to practice their own Christianity."
Christianity has nothing to do with cults.
Forget it...I'm tired of repeating myself. Apologists for the sacred Duggars tolerate nothing less than fawning over that weird TV family.
How is he being held accountable now that he wasn’t 12 years ago??
oh wait. I get it. Wait until he tries to get his life in order, gets married, has a family, tries to contribute to society and shows no evidence that he repeated the offenses after he was 14, THEN try to tear down and destroy his family, wife and his own kids. That’ll teach him.
Really???....So the people who are screaming for the "protection" of the victims, are the ones saying its OK to look into police reports with minors?
First, try to get a police report where a minor commits a crime.
Second, try to get a police report where a minor is a victim in a crime.
Minors are protected by laws to prevent what happened.
Sex abuse advocates want victims to feel safe, so that they can come forward and report what happened.
These reports being released were a break down of that at the very first level.
Police reports involving minors as perpetrators or victims are never to be released.
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