Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.
First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.
The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.
That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:
http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy
Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:
19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars
Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:
The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?
Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.
Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?
I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.
Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?
Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.
What's been your favorite response to the story?
When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.
Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?
I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.
http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:
The Wrap reported in 2013:
But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.
These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/
The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.
These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.
My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?
Correct. But it would be nice to know on what legal authority the judge based his decision. Thus far, he refuses to answer.
I think if they had such an order from a Judge, they needed to comply with it.
I think that was what the police thought, too. But it still does not mean the judge had the authority to issue the order. It sounds more like small-town politics to me.
Well then how about you clarify your meaning? What is it that you mean when you use the term "molester"? In the vernacular, most people assume it means someone who rapes or sodomizes a child.
You exhibit such disgust for someone who has inappropriately touched his sisters to the extent that there is no further hatred left for people who have done far worse abuses.
Your sense of proportion seems out of whack.
What did the boy deserve? He deserved a d@mn good asswipping and a very stern lecture as to why he will never do such a thing again, as well as being informed that he will never be permitted to be put into a position such that he can contemplate ever doing such a thing again.
Obviously the parents didn't handle this properly.
Are you suggesting that the cops involved are brain dead stupid? Do you know any of them that are unaware of the state's interest in protecting the futures of juvenile offenders?
Over the years, i've known lots of cops, and I assure you they are very cognizant of the law regarding juvenile cases. It is axiomatic, and common practice that details of juvenile cases are *NEVER* released.
The judge refuses to say why the order was issued.
I don't see where a juvenile court judge is under any obligation to explain his orders. In fact, I can't see how they can do their job if they needlessly spill details of cases to parties that have no need to know.
On what legal authority a judge orders records relating to juvenile offenses destroyed? Are you serious?
I think that was what the police thought, too. But it still does not mean the judge had the authority to issue the order. It sounds more like small-town politics to me.
It sounds like routine law in Juvenile proceedings to me. Again, the state has an interest in protecting future adults from crimes they may have committed as juveniles. Every cop knows the procedure. Every Judge. Every Lawyer. Every clerk. They all know the state's intentions and they know the normal procedure, and they generally all follow it.
What do you suppose would happen to a cop if he released information regarding a juvenile before it had a chance to reach the judge?
As far as I know, it's a permanent standing order that you never do such a thing.
I have one more general comment to complement my previous post. This past year or so there have been a lot of incidents involving black vs white and often involving police. Surely public officials including police have made mistakes and surely young criminals have caused a lot of disruption and destruction which is not often the fault of police who are laboring under difficult conditions. Certainly ill advised, liberal social programs and false champions have created a large portion of the societal destruction. My comment is that too many freepers on this site introduce racist sounding comments. These are never helpful. Whatever happened to the reasonable and constructive comments which used to be prevalent here. There are many viewpoints which should be honestly and fairly discussed here. Racist sounding comments from either side need to be avoided.
Gosh, I seem to recall that King David was lied, committed adultery and murder and yet - God called him a man after his own heart. God forgives - let Him!
The price of tea in China is too high...Who is excusing what Josh Duggar did?
He did a lot more than ‘inappropriately touch through their clothes’.
Pinging some of the posters from another thread discussing this over here.
First of all, I'm getting tired of hearing any criticism or distaste toward the Duggars labeled "hate." I've seen it many time from their apologists, and it's every bit as hysterical and inaccurate as when leftwingers throw words around carelessly.
I don't know what your son did and I don't care to know, but "mistake" is not an applicable term to describe Josh Duggar's repeated molestations of his sisters, one little more than a baby.
The Duggars are not normal Christians. They belong to Bill Gothard's cult, which tells them everything from how to dress to what kind of hair they should have. Gothard himself had to step down due to 34 accusations of sexual abuse.
Concerning the young ones in the family, why on earth would you imagine folks would dislike them? I hope and pray they'll have their eyes opened to the destructiveness of Gothardism, and come to understand that Jesus exists outside of it.
As for the parents, I've never liked them. I've always found them creepy, and some of what I've seen lately makes me think they're freaks. So what?
BZZZT. Strike three. But we have some lovely parting gifts.
I was watching Megyn Kelly on Fox News when she firmly said that it was, in fact, an illegal release. Where are you getting your information that it was not?
Well if he did, it is certainly not borne out by the link you provided. I read in vain looking for any detail more than "molested multiple girls as a teenager."
The degree and sort of "molestation" is not mentioned, at least not that I could see.
But this begs for the question. What could he have done without waking up his sisters, who would have presumably objected?
Whatever it was, it seems the family and the "church elders" thought a stern lecture and being sent to a "treatment program" was sufficient to deal with the problem.
Now maybe they think differently from me, but I think if he did any more than touch them or look at them, I wouldn't have been content with letting it go with such a soft response. He would have been put out of the house for starters.
A claim for which no documentation exists.
The judge IS the court. There is no legal distinction.
The police report.
The parents either lied when they swore and affirmed in ‘06 at the police station, or they lied in the interview.
Pick one.
Click the link to the police report.
The average age of juveniles who commit molestations is 14.
90-95% of all juvenile aged molesters, who go through counseling, never molest again.
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That is incorrect. Making light of what Josh Duggar did is wrong.
Child sexual abuse or child molestation is a form of child abuse in which an adult or older adolescent uses a child for sexual stimulation.[1][2] Forms of child sexual abuse include asking or pressuring a child to engage in sexual activities (regardless of the outcome), indecent exposure (of the genitals, female nipples, etc.) to a child with intent to gratify their own sexual desires or to intimidate or groom the child, physical sexual contact with a child, or using a child to produce child pornography.[1][3][4]
Source: Wikipedia
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