Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.
First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.
The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.
That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:
http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy
Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:
19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars
Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:
The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?
Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.
Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?
I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.
Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?
Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.
What's been your favorite response to the story?
When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.
Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?
I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.
http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:
The Wrap reported in 2013:
But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.
These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/
The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.
These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.
My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?
I never said they went to court. The police report states that the facility was a facility that the court approved of. That doesn’t mean he was sent there by the court. I am simply stating what is in the police report.
A court doesn’t accept unlicensed therapy.
Your DOJ study involved licensed therapy received by juvvie sex offenders WHILE they were juvvies.
Those stats are meaningless for perps who never received licensed therapy as a juvvie.
You’re the one that can’t back anything up.
I knew exactly what the stats said for your information. There are many studies out there. Not all of them so ‘hopeful’.
None of the hopeful ones involve perps who got therapy in adulthood however.
Those stats are dismal.
Don’t blame me for pointing out that JimBob cared more about his public persona than he did his kids getting the help they needed. Including and especially Josh, since his receiving treatment was actually probably MORE important than his sisters getting treatment. Because HE was the one that could damage many many many lives if left untreated.
And in ‘07, Josh was 19. No longer a juvenile. Again, all the fault of JimBob.
When you run across reoffender stats where the therapy involves hanging drywall and painting walls let me know.
The “christians” defending the Duggars are disgusting and shameful.
Don't have any use for the Duggar family. I never heard of them before this scandal broke. If anything, their pride has set back the perception of Christians as decent people.
That being said, I want a nuke hammer dropped on whomever dragged this out into the public. The way I see it is the way Sean Connery described it in "The Untouchables."
"He pulls a knife, you pull a gun, he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue." ..
Spare me the lecture.
I responded to a comment TO YOU.
I’m not going to ping you for that. Sorry. Get over it. If I randomly mention you for something else where you aren’t privy to the conversation, then I will.
Besides I commented on a Duggar thread...no need to ping you on those, you are SO obsessed, you don’t miss a thing when it comes to them.
But, I find it funny that someone is wanting “courtesy” when they refuse to show even a smidgen of mercy to others. Let alone courtesy.
obviously he knew he was doing something wron. He when to him parents 3 separate times. His parents should have got him help immediately.
If he wouldn't stop, I don't think they were explaining it to him properly. Just my opinion.
Honestly, I always noticed that he was always sort of distanced from the family....like a black sheep almost. This explains it to a certain extent.
And it looks like he's going to paying for it. Probably far more than what he deserves, but this is what you get when you are tried by the Liberal media.
The parents said it was a court approved facility.
There is a whole lot of doubt about that statement.
Court approved treatment for juvvie sex offenders ALWAYS lasts more than the 3 or 4 months Josh was at that facility.
I think the "help" he needed was a good severe @$$whipping. I personally don't believe any sort of Psychiatric "help" has any benefit.
Something tells me they spared the rod.
Something tells me they spared the rod.
Not exactly. The police report mentions that an actual rod was in use in their household.
It was always in the public. JimBob could have had a judge expunge this years ago.
However, rumor has it he had a devil of a time getting a lawyer to take this case.
Had JimBob done the right thing at the right time it would have been adjudicated by a youth court judge at that time and every last bit of it sealed.
As I’ve said, watergate plumber class coverup here. No adults in charge of this. Anywhere.
“To Sam Clements” means you aren’t responding to me, Drewsmum.
And while I’m loathe to disturb the warm fuzziness created by your kind concern for me, I’ll repeat-—FR rules state that when you mention a poster, you courtesy ping them.
Have some respect for the site, if not for individuals who post here.
You can slobber all you want, but there it is.
Whoops! Courtesy ping to # 112
I’m not talking about fighting against child molesters, I’m talking about destroying someone that the left has been after for a long time.
What makes you think he hasn’t been redeemed?
Because he is hiding.
If you want to defend parents who protect child molesters...
Then why don’t we refer to all adults who broke laws as kids “the perp”? Oh that’s right, because we don’t know about because their identities were protected...which is how it should be, unless of course you’re a Duggar, right?
“But, at 27yrs old, he IS a man. Just not acting like one. Shamefully letting his tearful younger sisters take the stage and take up for him.”
He did make a statement. But if he insisted on speaking in place of his sisters, how would you feel about that? Would you think he should let the victims speak instead, and tell their story? I would.
So exactly what do you think Josh should do? Is there any way that you think he could be redeemed?
And yet you’re convinced that a child molester is reformed without evidence then I admire your ability to trust.
Biblically speaking, the age of accountability has traditionally been 13. That would make sweet little Joshie fully accountable for his offenses. Now you might say, well that is not the law in ‘murica. I will agree to that, but then the yoy’s throwing scriptures around in defense of him should stop since the bible is not applicable to the situation.
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