Posted on 06/08/2015 11:48:14 AM PDT by C19fan
As a young, openly gay Christian activist, Matthew Vines considered it a victory just to get into a room at a conservative Christian university here with four influential evangelicals who disagreed with him over what the Bible says about homosexuality.
He ended up in a polite, heartfelt three-hour debate last month over Scripture passages about topics like celibacy, eunuchs, slavery and the connections between sex and marriage.
Every single system you have within your body whether its your respiratory system, your excretory system, your muscular system can be completed as an individual, said Sean McDowell, a professor here at Biola University and a well-known Christian author and speaker. But theres only one system in which male and female have half and become a united whole, and thats in reproduction.
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There is no such thing as a “gay Christian.”
I am noticing a new leftist tactic for their promotion of deviancy. Everything has to be kind, polite, nice....which essentially leaves them free to claim any absurd thing imaginable and the other side is not suppose to respond as normal people would. It automatically lowers the effectiveness of one side of the debate.
When an outrageous idea is put forward normal people respond with shock, outrage, condemnation, even ridicule, etc.. This is not a bad thing in context. You don’t take a liberating army into a concentration camp and demand that their comments be nice, kind, and respectful. Crazy is crazy and we should be free to call it that.
The leftists themselves are free to be outraged in their responses, though. They can get all up in arms about the smallest so-called slights. Just as tolerance is only for others, they are entirely hypocritical.
This is a sort of psychological warfare where they win the argument but establishing unfair emotional parameters. When are we going to stop letting them get by with it.
The same sort of double standard happens in the calls for bipartisanship. We have a multi-party system for a reason. They call for bipartisanship when they are really just demanding that the right surrender to the left. We need to stop falling into their psycho traps.
I’m sure the Washington Post would say the same thing.
The word gay is used in place of homosexual but they are not the same and not interchangeable. A homosexual is attracted to a person of the same sex. They are extremely rare. A gay is making a lifestyle choice. A gay is also a liberal, a progressive or a communist. (Those things are not quite the same either, but are undistinguishable to an outsider.) The difference between homosexuals and gays is that gays are communists (in one form or another) and a homosexual can be conservative. Gays know the difference and did away with the word homosexual which blended them in with gays and took away any separate identity they might have. You will probably never find a homosexual supporting the gay lifestyle or politics.
19th Century. I didn’t mean it was a product of what we think of as Victorian values and virtues.
Yes, Tim Keller blew this nonsense out of the water. Sad thing is that just a few short years ago, the majority of Christians would know this as well or their pastors would make it clear for them. But no more. Certainly in the mainline, most pastors are false teachers and wolves among the sheep.
Like African-Americans, they constantly change their names hoping that by doing that the problems within their own community will disappear. It doesn’t because they don’t look into their own hearts. In that standard-bearer of “gay liberation,” Radclyffe Hall’s novel “The Well of Lonliness,” it was called invertism. That was also used by Freud unless I’m mistaken.
He’s who Cicero was talking about when Cicero spoke of the enemy within.
The procreation argument is easily refuted (as it is in this article) by pointing out “what about couples who are unable to conceive?” Never mind that it’s a statistical aberration, a system not working the way it’s supposed to, just “what about...?”
As to giving “a pass to the adulterers”...maybe. I’m not one of them. I’m not going to scream for their beheading, but I wouldn’t scream for the beheading of a homosexual either. I would still tell them that their behavior is wrong and they need to change their ways and it has no place in a civilized society. Self-control is still a thing. There’s no debating the merits of it or twisting the Bible. It’s very plain.
The problem is the destruction of Language and Words. (He who can control Words can control the perceptions of the masses (feelings)).
Love can never be “lusting after an anal cavity” and the term “homosexual marriage” is an oxymoron. It is dumb and stupid (removes REASON and NATURAL LAW which is the purpose—the Leftists want the children so irrational they believe “snow is black” (Fichte 1810).
Getting arousals when you are of the same sex—when you see the same sex is puerile, fixated in latency and irrational emotions-—devoid of Reason and Natural Law and MATURITY which can appreciate the “Other”—true diversity.
There is no “love” in lusting after anyone. To couch this debate in “Love” is the problem. It is the perverted narcissistic desire to dominate (Libido Dominadi—which is to use others in dehumanizing ways for selfish gains) and it has NOTHING to do with “Love”.
Sodomites are mentally incapable of true love, which is selfless, unless they refuse to consummate their vile, dehumanizing acts and repent and change their “desires” toward the Good.
Sodomy is using human beings as a Means to an End-—it is really hate and dehumanization and removing dignity and purpose from the human body, reducing man to pure meaningless animal. It is demonic and dehumanization (and pure Marxist Theory—to destroy all biological connections and make babies commodities to be bought and sold and killed at will and destroy in the children Reality and Natural Law so the mind of the Founders is impossible—no individualism or Real Life experiences, if no Natural Family).
It is all for the proper perceptions of the children-—to destroy Reason and logic and create just hyper-sexualized children—immersed in using others as objects-—so that the banality of evil-—is just like it was for Eichman. What they hey, if millions are killed, herded and culled????? Dehumanization is the result of killing Virtue formation in children.
Socrates stated, the only purpose of education is to teach Virtue. Schools since Dewey, destroy Virtue intentionally in children and habituate evil desires and a worldview where they see human beings as godless objects to be used and tossed (hyper sexualization).
It is why Jesus was banned in the public square and schools so they could normalized paganism, Satanism and Marxism in our children. Without the Transmission of culture-—the Marxists can make Up, Down, Vice, Virtue, and Boys, into Girls. VOILA!!!!
Uh, no it doesn't other than to classify all those behaviors as sinful. The Bible treats homosexuality quite differently than the other sins.
But we are too permissive. Maybe we dont need to make people wear the scarlett letter, especially if we let one partner off the hook. We are too far down the road of not judging, and a long way from the standard that Jesus laid down. Small things. Why dont we require modesty while dressing for church, or for that matter, even for school? Because the larger society is calling our children and we are afraid we might lose them. Never mind that there is a good reason for not calling attention to our physical assets. We mock the Muslims for their dress, but they have a point. Why advertise if you are not selling?
I've said for years that Christians will always, always lose this argument. If you don't believe in what the Bible says or think it's an older version of the "Book of Virtues" or just a fantasy story compilation, then God's Word against homosexuality as an argument against it is pointless. In their minds, you may as well be using Shakespeare to sell your argument.
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
King James Version (KJV)
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Even though some Christian denominations have embraced adulterous, homosexual behavior as a valid life choice, that does not change Gods admonition against adultery same as it ever was: You shall not commit adultery (Exodus 20:8).
And while true that Abraham and King David had multiple wives, God never wavered from His one man one woman model of marriage set forth in Genesis 3:24.
We are called to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) - and that truth is that God has a better plan for us than accepting the social norm du jour but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is the good and acceptable perfect will of God (Romans 12:2).
The New Jerk Times can turn the Bible on its head. But certain biblical teachings are so clear that they still read the same regardless.
“Euphoria” is a more fitting name for this dying nation than “America”.
Not Happiness but Pleasure is their God for there is no happiness in the gay community.
Regarding Freud, I’ve never been a reader of his or had an interest in psychology, thus I defer to you.
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