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SCOTUS Sides With Obama (And Bush) In Fight Over Israeli Passports
National Journal ^ | June 8, 2015 | Sam Baker

Posted on 06/08/2015 7:30:38 AM PDT by rickyrikardo

The Supreme Court on Monday said Congress overstepped its bounds when it tried to force the president's hand in a hot-button dispute over the Middle East.

In a 6-3 ruling, the court struck down a 2002 law requiring the State Department to recognize Jerusalem as a part of Israel — over the objections of both the George W. Bush and Obama administrations, which had refused to implement the law. The Supreme Court sided with the executive branch on Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Israel
KEYWORDS: israel; jerusalem; news; passports; scotus
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1 posted on 06/08/2015 7:30:38 AM PDT by rickyrikardo
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To: rickyrikardo

This seems bad, but I admit to not understanding the true issue here.


2 posted on 06/08/2015 7:32:58 AM PDT by Yaelle ("You're gonna fly away, Glad you're going my way... I love it when we're Cruzin together")
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To: Yaelle

No President has recognized Jerusalem as Israel because there are negotiations about what part of Jerusalem belongs to whom.


3 posted on 06/08/2015 7:39:30 AM PDT by rickyrikardo
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To: Yaelle

No President has recognized Jerusalem as Israel because there are negotiations about what part of Jerusalem belongs to whom.


4 posted on 06/08/2015 7:39:34 AM PDT by rickyrikardo
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To: rickyrikardo

The State Dept works for the Moslem Brotherhood
and the Nazi nation -— when it is not arming
al Qaeda (Benghazi) or lying to Congress.


5 posted on 06/08/2015 7:39:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: rickyrikardo

Reading the article sure helps. It’s about passports.


6 posted on 06/08/2015 7:40:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rickyrikardo

I think many people believe recognizing Jerusalem as part of Israel (which the Palestinians and much of the Arab World do not recognize)would inflame the tensions already there. Jerusalem IS a part of Israel, but legally adding Israel to the address would be upsetting to Islamists who are already pretty violent. It’s obvious to anyone looking at a map (unless the map was generated by said Arabs) that Jerusalem IS IN Israel......for as long as Israel exists (may it be forever).


7 posted on 06/08/2015 7:43:20 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Not my circus, not my monkeys.......)
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To: rickyrikardo
I don't know it seems pretty straight forward to me. The Congress, which supposedly is invested with the Constitution to make the laws made a law that said: Passports of children born in Jerusalem shall say Jersalem, Israel. And then Bush and Obama ignored it. And now SCOTUS says they can ignore it.

This seems like another terrible decision by the court, which seems to prefer the prerogative of the executive to the specific laws passed by congress. I guess it's symbiotic: SCOTUS gains power when it arbitrarily assigns functions to the Executive Branch like this. It means, literally, no law is a law when passed by Congress until the Executive decides if he agrees with it, and the Supreme Court rules on it.

I don't believe that the Founders intended the courts to have this role, and for once I'm going to have to agree with Mike Huckabee who brought this issue up earlier this year.

8 posted on 06/08/2015 7:45:00 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Yeah but Guantanamo is in Cuba. Is it part of Cuba?


9 posted on 06/08/2015 7:45:27 AM PDT by rickyrikardo
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To: rickyrikardo
Exactly. Congress wants to force the Executive Branch to recognize the jurisdictional authority of a government (Israel) in a geographic area where that government hasn't even figured out what exactly the formal status of the area should be.

The U.S. State Department has never been keen on this sort of thing. The long-lasting uncertainties over the status of Berlin after the division of East and West Germany is probably a good example of how they handle a delicate situation like this.

10 posted on 06/08/2015 7:46:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: rickyrikardo

If this has to do with passports then this administration has NO right wtf so ever to deny Israelis passports; these idiots (Obama admin) have an open border policy that has allowed millions across our southern border unobstructed. This is absurd and pure hypocrisy.


11 posted on 06/08/2015 7:46:58 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Israel is the only nation who doesn’t have embassies in the city they designate as their capitol

Jerusalem was settled as a Jewish City over 4,000 years ago.
So who do you think it belongs to?

Certainly not Fakestinians who came after Oslo, or Jordanians
Egyptians, or Saudis.

Good to bring this up now and get each candidate on the record. Although every candidate promises to move the embassies to Jerusalem and once POTUS shamefully bread that promise.


12 posted on 06/08/2015 7:48:36 AM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: rickyrikardo

It is in Cuba and it’s address should reflect that. Jerusalem is in Israel and it’s address should reflect that.....to anyone with an ounce of sense. Many Arab maps don’t even have Israel on them. We recognize Israel as a legitimate country, so our State Dept, pResident and SCOTUS are showing their folly.


13 posted on 06/08/2015 7:57:17 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Not my circus, not my monkeys.......)
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To: Jack Black
You may not like the decision, but it does involve a legitimate legal question under the U.S. Constitution. Nobody is disputing the authority of Congress to legislate, but in cases involving diplomatic relations with foreign governments there is a clear oversight role for the Executive Branch.

In the case of the 2002 law that was the heart of this legal dispute, the first question that ought to come to mind is: Why would the Bush administration willfully ignore a legislative mandate that it had signed into law? The answer is that the passport issue was not passed as stand-alone legislation. Instead, it was buried in a much larger Federal spending bill ... and the Bush administration made it very clear that it did not recognize Congress' authority in the matter, while the administration decided not to hold an entire Federal funding bill hostage to it.

On its face, the 2002 passport regulation is highly questionable. It actually gives the holder of the passport the right to decide how their country of origin is to be listed on their own passport. This sounds ridiculous on its face. If I was born in Baltimore, should I have the right to decide that Tibet or Haiti was actually the country where I was born?

14 posted on 06/08/2015 7:58:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: ThomasMore
Read the article. Nobody is denying anyone a passport. The issue under dispute involved how the passports were written.

If I was a U.S. citizen born in East Berlin in the 1950s, I wonder how the U.S. State Department would list my place of birth if I went and got a passport for the first time today?

15 posted on 06/08/2015 8:00:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Zenjitsuman
Israel is the only nation who doesn’t have embassies in the city they designate as their capitol.

That itself is an indication of just how ill-defined the legal status of Jerusalem is. It would be very rare for a respectable country that maintains diplomatic relations all over the world to establish an embassy in a disputed area.

16 posted on 06/08/2015 8:02:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child

No its the best example of Jew hatred I could find these days


17 posted on 06/08/2015 8:05:13 AM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Zenjitsuman
Oh, right -- how did I ever miss that?

/sarcasm off/

18 posted on 06/08/2015 8:08:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Yaelle

Of course the passport holder can choose their gender, just not their country.

It is shameful that this is so political. A man is a man, a woman is a woman, and Jerusalem is in Israel. Denying the truth doesn’t change it.


19 posted on 06/08/2015 8:22:17 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Alberta's Child

I guess they must submit to the official label, even if that label is wrong.

What if Caitlyn Jenner wants a passport that says he is a female? Bet in that case everyone switches sides and decides the individual can choose.

The insane generation.


20 posted on 06/08/2015 8:43:59 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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