Prison officials want to buy nearly 5 million rounds

WND ^ | May 29, 2015 | Bob Unruh

[Perseverando]

Bids from 'Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Businesses' sought by June 29

Another branch of the federal government is poised to make a massive purchase of ammunition, including hollow points, an expanding bullet designed for “maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock.”

A new Federal Bureau of Prisons shopping list includes:

1 million 9 mm Lugar 124 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point rounds;

1 million 9 mm Lugar 124 Grain Jacketed Ball rounds;

1 million 9 mm Lugar 115 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point rounds;

1.5 million .223 caliber 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket rounds;

40,000 12 Gauge #4 Buckshot 27 Pellets rounds;

185,000 12 Gauge #7 ½ shot rounds;

10,000 12 Gauge Rifled Slug 1 oz.;

and 55,000 Cartridge .308 168 Grain Boat Tail rounds.

The list was posted as an online solicitation at FedBizOpps.gov.

It specifies that the source of the millions of rounds can only be a “Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Business,” and the ammunition must be delivered to various agency locations over a period of several years.

“All ammunition must be new initial load. NO RELOADED ammunition will be accepted, inclusive of factory or otherwise.”

[Perseverando]

Interesting to note that the ammo can only be obtained from a “Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Business,” Also I see that "the ammunition must be delivered to various agency locations over a period of several years."

Just another large purchase of ammo by the federal government. Nothing to see here. Move along. </Sarc>

[spetznaz]

I only have two questions:

First, what is a 9mm 'lugar?' I know of 9mm Luger, but I've never come across a lugar before. (Whenever I see such errors I know the person who wrote the article is not a gun person).

Second, what manufacturer is being chosen for the 9mm rounds? Federal (with their HST, which is arguably the best 9mm bullet out today), Winchester (with their Ranger T and Ranger Bonded ...the Feds had gone with the 147gr Ranger Bonded before, which is the round I use in Kenya due to US gov oversupply ...long story), Speer (with the Gold Dot that js really great, or, Lord forbid, the Gold Dot 2 that is a mess), Remington, Hornsey, what?

[TigersEye]

185,000 12 Gauge #7 ½ shot rounds;

Are the guards going dove hunting? Because shootin' a man with 7 1/2 bird shot is just downright cruel. To him and the surgeon who has to pick 'em all out.

[spetznaz]

It is also interesting that they are buying 115gr HPs. Most departments usually purchase 9mm bullets that range between 124gr to 147gr. The light and fast 115gr crowd is usually ignored due to shallow penetrative since the ability to hit vital organs, and thus penetrative between 12 to 18 inches, is critical. Thus, many users opt for 124gr bullets (eg the Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P bonded bullet that is used by the NYPD), 147gr bullets (eg the Winchester Ranger Bonded 147gr standard pressure bonded bullet used by the FBI, and the 147gr Federal HST that has an expansion of up to 0.77 ...amazing round ), and intermediate bullets (eg the Winchester 127gr +P+ Ranger T).

115 grains? Not so much.

Thus it is quite interesting there are over million of them on order.

[spetznaz]

Silly auto correct -> rather than ‘penetration’ it keeps adjusting it to ‘penetrative’

[spetznaz]

....and Hornsey should obviously be Hornady.

[21twelve]

That 7.5 shot. Maybe they ascribe to the idea that they don’t want to shoot through the walls. (Hint - if it won’t go through sheet rock, it won’t go into a bad guy either.)

There was a shooting last year at my son’s college. Thank God the nutcase was an idiot. He killed one student with a shot point blank to the head. Several other kids were shot at a bit of distance, walking to the ambulances with large red rashes. No doubt birdshot.

One student overpowered the shooter while he reloaded.

[TigersEye]

Shot Sizes

There is only one size of 7.5 or 7 1/2 (however you want to write it) shot that I can see and it's typically used for dove or quail. 350 pellets per oz. That's a lot of pellet plucking for the unlucky surgeon.

Within ten feet it would probably act a lot like a slug entering your poor unfortunate body like a single mass. Although it would slow down faster and disperse. Further than that and it would be pretty iffy unless a pellet or more hit some vital arteries.

[Noob1999]

Now, is this on top of the millions, maybe billions, of rounds that Janet Napolitano ordered a few years ago?

What the hell’s going on?

[Secret Agent Man]

Tell them to borrow it from fedgov’s massive stockpile.

[itsahoot]

350 pellets per oz. That's a lot of pellet plucking for the unlucky surgeon.

Not if they pour a little wax in there. Like this.

[TigersEye]

That looks like a lot of work to make a 12 ga. slug that won’t be as effective as a lead slug. I liked the music though. lol

[Greysard]

Bids from 'Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Businesses' sought

I'm not quite sure what is the purpose of such a small business here. I do not believe that any small business is going to do the work that large ammo companies are doing and to manufacture the rounds from metal and powder and bullets. This can be done for 100 rounds at home, but not for millions of rounds - you need machines for that.

This small business can do only one thing. It can sign two pieces of paper: to buy rounds from the manufacturer, and to sell them to the government. The difference in price will be pocketed without doing any real work. Is this the intent?

[M-cubed]

are you nuts?...lol....u may be a gun nut..but 10 feet??...ill give ya 25 and show u more destruction then you’ve seen in your life..unless u were walking point..../s

[TigersEye]

I’m not sure what you mean by “destruction,” especially with 7 1/2 shot, but I was using ten feet to be conservative about the spread. I’ve shot 00buck at 35 ft. and still punched a single solid hole in the target. Albeit about twice the diameter of the 12 ga. bore.

[Jonty30]

That’s what this government has been about in everything it has done. Somebody has been in the middle profiting for doing nothing

[Sherman Logan]

Given the roughly 40,000 employees of this group, what would you consider a reasonable annual purchase of ammo?

Seems to me citing the raw numbers doesn’t tell us much.

[Sherman Logan]

Another branch of the federal government is poised to make a massive purchase of ammunition, including hollow points, an expanding bullet designed for “maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock.”

Don't most cops use hollow points?

[spetznaz]

Yes, most cops use hollow points. They are better for quickly stopping an adversary, and are also less likely to overpenetrate (and hurting an innocent bystander). Thus, modern hollow points will always be the best choice for police (and citizens) due to those two reasons. They will stop the threat faster, and they are less likely to over penetrative.

Although since cops hit their targets 18-35% of the time, maybe the overpenetrate overpenetrate argument is moot since the bullets that miss seem to be a likelier event than bullets that enter the perpetrator and exit to hit a bystander.

[huldah1776]

are they trying to slow down the defense of the average american gun owner by buying all the ammo?