Posted on 05/21/2015 10:42:22 AM PDT by reaganaut1
The president of the Boy Scouts of America on Thursday called for an end to the groups blanket ban on gay adult leaders, warning Scout executives that we must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it to be, and that any other alternative will be the end of us as a national movement.
At the same time, religious organizations that sponsor a majority of local Scout troops, including the Mormons and Roman Catholics, should remain free to set their own policies for leaders, said the president, Robert M. Gates, the former director of the C.I.A. and the former secretary of defense.
Mr. Gates called for the changes at an annual national meeting of the group, in Atlanta. He said that he was not yet making a formal proposal but that the Scouts governing body should take up the issue formally at a future meeting.
The treatment of gay men and boys has been a source of wrenching debate over the last decade. Conservative religious groups that sponsor many Scout troops, including the Mormon Church and the Roman Catholic Church, have opposed the participation of openly gay members while local leaders in more liberal areas have called for an end to the ban.
In 2013, Boy Scout leaders from across the country voted, with more than 60 percent approval, to say that no youth may be denied membership on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone. But it left intact the policy that no openly gay adults could serve in the organization.
Since then, a Scout group in New York has defied that policy by employing an openly gay leader, and several other groups around the country have expressed opposition to the ban.
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When Obama had his friend stir up the gay issue at Boy Scouts, the government's idea held sway and now all the people who do not agree with the gay adult leaders will be marginalized.
Hence, the destruction of the Boy Scouts.
What has happened to the Scouts is what will happen to all churches if the Supreme Court votes in favor of gay marriage.
The government will hold the gay card to some regard in all churches. Some sort of punishment will be thought up for all the pastors and priests who refuse to marry the gays.
That means no more freedom of religion, because if the government can decide that a pastor will marry the gays, what else do you think a government can force a pastor to do?
Obama loves abortion does anyone think, if he could get away with it, that he just might try to force pastors to become accomplices in his design of death. He already is working to force churches to pay for abortions.
It has all been so sneaky. All Obama had to do was to find that one back of the knee he could hit at just the right moment.
But God will not be mocked.
Is there an organization Gates hasn’t irreparably harmed left?
BTTT...I was and am of the same opinion WRT Gates.
Of course this was coming. This was always coming. One more formerly great American institution gone to hell.
Some constituents have more influence in politics, business and academia than other constituents. As the economic situation continues to change, the influence gap is widening. The more influential constituents, for the most part, are not socially conservative.
Oh my goodness! What a horrible thing to have gone through. I am so sorry you had to deal with that for so many years.
Too bad for this country, all that it is going through right now.
Yep
My thoughts, first, the sexual revolution of the 60’s gave birth to a culture that embraced the idea that sexual intercourse was first and foremost for pleasure with pregnancy a consequence to be mostly avoided...once it became acceptable to have sex outside of marriage, all pleasurable perversions became acceptable.
Second, Western culture has lost its sense of sin. The numbers of people in Western society who attend church service regularly is abysmally small. Ask people to name and explain the 10 commandments and you would be horrified. In it’s place we have moral relativism which makes everything acceptable depending on your point of view.
Finally, there is always a sense of pleasure in the taboo... as everything sexual becomes acceptable it requires a greater depravity to achieve the thrill associated with sexual deviancy and our downward, evil death wish continues.
What could possibly go wrong?
The other shoe drops.
They need to put an end to this blanket ban on pedophiles as well! Bring back all those leaders who molested children who have completed their jail sentences (and absolutely restore all those who never served a moment in jail but were accused (and the Boy Scouts paid out settlements for) of such crimes..), and end this national nightmare of keeping boys from properly learning the Boy Scout experience! Least that’s the only thing the 2% minority will accept.
I can’t believe how much impact the 2% have on the organization. End ALL corporate Boy Scouts offices, end any full time Council positions. Close all offices, revoke any retirement benefits, etc. The only things that should be left should be scout huts run by local troops and camps which are paid for by confederations of troops. END the entire money train from corporate America into the Boy Scouts where they can continue to withhold funds to ‘pressure for change.’
Because the national council is selling the Boy Scouts piece by piece to the 2%, and that is a national crime.
That's actually a great question. I've thought a lot about it myself. Does every stable/rich society inevitably plant the seeds of its own corruption and destruction? Is it some kind of large natural cycle for humanity?
I DO know, this whole gay thing is a fad. Other societies in history have gone through the same. It will pass when present conditions change. But doesn't mean things will be better either.
Gays got control of the media, that’s how.
The Scouts brought this upon themselves also. As an organization, they became too big and fat. When they sold themselves for corporate donations, they sold their independence. they put the leash around their own neck.
“And no, I am not suggesting that all homosexuals are pedophiles,...”
That’s a common and disingenuous argument. People will tell you that pedophiles prey on children of both ages and don’t typically have a functional adult sexual orientation, homosexual of otherwise. This is true, because pedophilia is defines as an inappropriate attraction to PREPUBESCENT children. Look at the age group involved in Boy Scouts and tell me what’s wrong with that argument. That’s right, the average US Boy goes through puberty around 10 years old. So discussions of real pedophiles are irrelevant to most of the BSA program. Now think about how old are gay prostitutes typically, how old was the boy Harvey Milk was involved with? Yes, exactly Boy Scout age. The pedophilia argument is a straw man, gay men are typically attracted to teen boys. If I tried to make a group that involved middle aged men taking a bunch of 16 year old girls out in the woods, would anyone think that was OK?
Ask the clown:
“Why is it so important to you to set up our sons for molestation and recruitment?”
Translated: "There are many thousands of lustful pedophiles out there, and we must welcome them in and give them unfettered access to these young boys."
I hope for your son's sake you're very closely involved with his Pack activities.
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