Posted on 04/25/2015 8:00:40 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper
See video...
This video was posted yesterday on Liveleak.com. It appears to show the incident that leapardseal had referred to originally.
What I’d tried to do was post a link to a google search which had turned up numerous versions of the basic story. That might not have worked.
Religion of peace ,
Russia and the Menace of Unreality
“In today’s Russia, by contrast, the idea of truth is irrelevant. On Russian ‘news’ broadcasts, the borders between fact and fiction have become utterly blurred. Russian current-affairs programs feature apparent actors posing as refugees from eastern Ukraine, crying for the cameras about invented threats from imagined fascist gangs. During one Russian news broadcast, a woman related how Ukrainian nationalists had crucified a child in the eastern Ukrainian city of Sloviansk. When Alexei Volin, Russia’s deputy minister of communications, was confronted with the fact that the crucifixion story was a fabrication, he showed no embarrassment, instead suggesting that all that mattered were ratings. “The public likes how our main TV channels present material, the tone of our programs,” he said. “The share of viewers for news programs on Russian TV has doubled over the last two months.” The Kremlin tells its stories well, having mastered the mixture of authoritarianism and entertainment culture. The notion of ‘journalism,’ in the sense of reporting ‘facts’ or ‘truth,’ has been wiped out. In a lecture last year to journalism students at Moscow State University, Volin suggested that students forget about making the world a better place. “We should give students a clear understanding: They are going to work for The Man, and The Man will tell them what to write, what not to write, and how this or that thing should be written,” he said. “And The Man has the right to do it, because he pays them.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/
Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine
http://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-s-top-100-lies-about-ukraine/
“Photograph from Bosnia, falsely represented to show Ukrainian military abusing/murdering civilians in Donbass, Ukraine.”
“A morgue in Ciudad Juarez, which was falsely represented to be the city morgue of Slavyansk, Ukraine, allegedly filled with corpses of Ukrainian military men/national guard.”
“Photo of a child killed in Aleppo, Syria falsely represented to depict a child killed by the Ukrainian military in Slavyansk, Ukraine.”
“Photo on the left was alleged to be that of a soldier with the National Guard of Ukraine, supposedly cannibalizing the corpses of enemy combatants. In reality, it was taken from a web page demonstrating special effects and make-up for action movies.”
“Photo of a deceased little girl was widely circulated under the name of “Yulia Izotova,” along with poems and captions that blamed the Ukrainian military for her recent death in Slavyansk. In fact, the photo was stolen from the website mourning the death of Anastasia Luchishina, who was murdered by a sexual predator in Russia in 2013.”
“This photo accompanied a horror story, in which Ukrainian Member of Parliament Oleh Liashko allegedly tortured the mother of a separatist, by burning her back with the cigarette lighter. In reality, this picture was taken in 2010. It depicts the back of a 3-year-old child, who had “wings” burned into his back by his parents, a pair of Russian religious fanatics from Chelyabinsk.”
I don’t trust either side.
“The notion of ‘journalism,’ in the sense of reporting ‘facts’ or ‘truth,’ has been wiped out.”
Same here in the US.
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There have been allegations of torture, or worse, from the Nazi/Oligarch militias since this began, beginning even before the Odessa Massacre. And lots of videos. This has been supported by both the Red Cross, and Amnesty.
As I have often said, for the Ukrainian “Right” this is about the ethnic cleansing of Russians from Ukraine.
False
Spaniard who fought at the front line said the Russian Rebels had Communists and Nazis. Russia needs to recognize the Holodomor as Genocide as many nations have.
Resistance fighter? Resistance to what?
You can claim “False”, all you like, but that doesn’t make it so.
Have you intentionally forgotten things like the Khorsun Massacre, for instance?
tcrlaf yoour reputation preceeds you. most ignore you, but I respond. Your claim of crucificion is on par with Ukraine eating their babies.. give it up you look foolish!
It isn’t “My claim”.
And yes, my reputation as someone who likes to deal in FACTS, instead of insane propaganda hyperbole does preceed me.
In my estimation, Obama, Soros, Nuland, and Monsanto are all BAD people. That doesn't change simply by by flying or sailing five miles outside of US territorial waters...
Reminds me of Bosnia.
There were no good actors anywhere to be found and everyone worked toward to attriting the battle to and end that left Moslems with more territory...
“As I have often said, for the Ukrainian “Right” this is about the ethnic cleansing of Russians from Ukraine.”
Then why is that NOT happening? The only people being forced from their homes are non-Russians. Ukrainians and Tatars are having an increasingly difficult time in Crimea. Gee, who is doing that to them? The Russian schools in Crimea were never told to stop using Russian by the Ukrainians before the seizure of Crimea by Russia. Who is really interested in ethnic cleansing there? The Russians!
“Have you intentionally forgotten things like the Khorsun Massacre, for instance?”
Even if there were deaths - and I say “if” - there was no “massacre”. Also, are you really going to say that Ukrainian nationalists beating up Russian nationalists who just demonstrated against the Ukrainians in Kiev shows any sort of pattern other than the hatred that the Russians and Ukrainians have for each other. Russians have done that sort of thing to Ukrainians FOR CENTURIES.
“Even if there were deaths - and I say “if” - there was no “massacre”.”
THIS is why you (and Kiev’s propaganda) have no credibility.
Anywhere from 8-36 Ethnic Russians were KILLED at Korsun, returning from the anti-Maidan rallies in Kiev. That is simply undeniable.
Plenty of video of it out there, as the Right Sector thugs that did it didn’t care who filmed it. This is just one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqX51CX3JPU
Putin acknowledged that it was this incident that forced him to set the plans in motion to retake Crimea.
Up until that point, the Russians thought everything could be contained in Kiev.
“Anywhere from 8-36 Ethnic Russians were KILLED at Korsun, returning from the anti-Maidan rallies in Kiev. That is simply undeniable.”
What evidence do you have of it? Seriously, what evidence do you have that anyone at all was killed? I am not even saying no one dies, but what evidence is that that anyone did?
“Plenty of video of it out there, as the Right Sector thugs that did it didn’t care who filmed it. This is just one.”
No, this is not evidence of a massacre. That is evidence of Ukrainian nationalists beating up on Russian nationalists just like Russian nationalists did to Ukrainian nationalists for about 300 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqX51CX3JPU
I watched the whole tape - before you sent it to me by the way - and there’s no evidence of a single person being killed in it. Yes, some Russian nationalists make claims, but where are the bodies of the murdered, why are none of them named (not a single one!?), why isn’t there a single family member who attests to a relative being murdered? No, instead we get claims from Russian nationalists with no names of the supposedly murdered given, no photos, no video (Gee, did you notice that all the Russians claimed the place was awash with men with guns and yet you don’t see A SINGLE FIREARM AT ALL IN THE VIDEO!). WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE????
“Putin acknowledged that it was this incident that forced him to set the plans in motion to retake Crimea.”
And that’s BS too. No matter what did or did not happen on that roadside it had NOTHING to do with anything actually happening in Crimea itself. It was used as a pretext for a land grab. Hitler had his. Putin has his. Same old, same old.
“Up until that point, the Russians thought everything could be contained in Kiev.”
That very viewpoint shows the Russians thought they could go on ruling from afar. That didn’t work so they used tanks and troops instead. This is all about Russian conquest and control.
You’re a sucker for Putin, his phony “Nazi” stories, and so on. You believe whatever the Russians say even when there’s no evidence.
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