“Even if there were deaths - and I say “if” - there was no “massacre”.”
THIS is why you (and Kiev’s propaganda) have no credibility.
Anywhere from 8-36 Ethnic Russians were KILLED at Korsun, returning from the anti-Maidan rallies in Kiev. That is simply undeniable.
Plenty of video of it out there, as the Right Sector thugs that did it didn’t care who filmed it. This is just one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqX51CX3JPU
Putin acknowledged that it was this incident that forced him to set the plans in motion to retake Crimea.
Up until that point, the Russians thought everything could be contained in Kiev.
“Anywhere from 8-36 Ethnic Russians were KILLED at Korsun, returning from the anti-Maidan rallies in Kiev. That is simply undeniable.”
What evidence do you have of it? Seriously, what evidence do you have that anyone at all was killed? I am not even saying no one dies, but what evidence is that that anyone did?
“Plenty of video of it out there, as the Right Sector thugs that did it didn’t care who filmed it. This is just one.”
No, this is not evidence of a massacre. That is evidence of Ukrainian nationalists beating up on Russian nationalists just like Russian nationalists did to Ukrainian nationalists for about 300 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqX51CX3JPU
I watched the whole tape - before you sent it to me by the way - and there’s no evidence of a single person being killed in it. Yes, some Russian nationalists make claims, but where are the bodies of the murdered, why are none of them named (not a single one!?), why isn’t there a single family member who attests to a relative being murdered? No, instead we get claims from Russian nationalists with no names of the supposedly murdered given, no photos, no video (Gee, did you notice that all the Russians claimed the place was awash with men with guns and yet you don’t see A SINGLE FIREARM AT ALL IN THE VIDEO!). WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE????
“Putin acknowledged that it was this incident that forced him to set the plans in motion to retake Crimea.”
And that’s BS too. No matter what did or did not happen on that roadside it had NOTHING to do with anything actually happening in Crimea itself. It was used as a pretext for a land grab. Hitler had his. Putin has his. Same old, same old.
“Up until that point, the Russians thought everything could be contained in Kiev.”
That very viewpoint shows the Russians thought they could go on ruling from afar. That didn’t work so they used tanks and troops instead. This is all about Russian conquest and control.
You’re a sucker for Putin, his phony “Nazi” stories, and so on. You believe whatever the Russians say even when there’s no evidence.
“Anywhere from 8-36 Ethnic Russians were KILLED at Korsun, returning from the anti-Maidan rallies in Kiev. That is simply undeniable.”
8 to 36??? So you have no evidence for 36 people being murdered on a roadside when people are running around with video cameras? Do you realize how absurd your claims are?
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Debunking the Kremlin myth about the ‘Korsun pogrom’ (VIDEO)
As the anniversary of Crimea annexation came and went, one of the most popular justifications of the annexation got repeated over and over again: the Korsun pogrom. But it seems that this event is one of many inventions of the Russian propaganda machine, and did not actually take place – at least not in the way described by the Russian media. Moreover, the way this myth was constructed provides an insight into how the Russian propaganda machine fixes history.
President Vladimir Putin made a reference to the Korsun pogrom in a documentary called “Crimea: Path to the Motherland,” that was aired in Russia on March 15. He said the event allegedly took place on Feb. 20, 2014 close to the city of Korsun-Shevchenkivskiy in Cherkasy Oblast, and showed that Crimean citizens were in danger in Ukraine.
This is what happened, according to the Russian account of events: A group of Crimean supporters of former President Viktor Yanukovych, traveling by seven buses from Kyiv back to Crimea, were allegedly stopped at a checkpoint by activists of the EuroMaidan Revolution. The Crimean citizens were allegedly beaten and humiliated by them.
To illustrate the events, the Russian film makers used the footage of these events originally released in a film made by the Information Group on Crimes against the Person, a civic initiative that supposedly collects information on political and other crimes against people in Ukraine.
The group was created in February, 2014, but no contacts for the group are available. None are listed on their website, besides the address of their pages in social networks. The Kyiv Post attempts to reach this group were unsuccessful.
This group’s most visible activity was the release on Aug. 14 of a 24-minute documentary called “The crimes of EuroMaidan Nazis: The pogrom of Korsun on 20/02/2014.” The video appeared on a website of another organization called “Ukraine Human Rights.”
On top of producing the movie, the organization claims in keeps track of human rights violations in the east of Ukraine by volunteer battalions since April last year. It refers to those battalions as “Nazis”.
The problem is, reputable international human rights organizations, including the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, say they have never heard of such a group.
Bohdan Ovcharuk, a spokesperson for Amnesty International Ukraine, said his organization also tried to contact this group, because their logo is suspiciously reminiscent of the Amnesty one. Basically, the group used the same colors and fonts.
“Our lawyers tried to get in touch with someone (from Ukraine Human Right organization), because they copied our corporate style, but to no avail,” Ovcharuk told the Kyiv Post. “Looks like they’re pro-Kremlin trolls.”
This organization’s documentary claims to reconstruct the events of Feb. 20 based on accounts of eyewitnesses – Crimean citizens Oksana Medieva, Kateryna Solodilova and Anatoliy Polovynets. Authors of the film claimed that a group of EuroMaidan activists threw Molotov cocktails at the buses of Crimean activists.
The film shows some of those activists in helmets beating and humiliating people. At least 30 Crimeans went missing and seven were killed, according to the eye witness testimony. They also said that the EuroMaidan revolution supporters threatened to kill those who won’t sing Ukraine’s national anthem and forced some of them to eat broken glass.
But there is little evidence that none of those accounts are actually true and that the accompanying video material is authentic.
“I have no confidence that these events actually took place. There are testimonies of people who say they have witnessed the events, but they don’t specify exactly where they are from, they mostly just say ‘Crimea’,” explains Yulia Gorbunova, a researcher for Human Rights Watch’s on Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.
Gorbunova also said that it’s impossible to see the license plates on the buses or the faces of the participants, because “the picture is shifting all the time.”
“I think it’s just a propaganda tool,” Gorbunova concludes.
Ukraine’s police have also dismissed the whole story as invention of the Russian propaganda.
“Such events didn’t take place then,” Cherkasy region police spokesman Dmytro Hryshchenko said. “There was a checkpoint there and we also know about the burning of two buses. But the information about the activists gone missing or killed is not true.”
Kyiv Post staff writer Olena Goncharova can be reached at goncharova@kyivpost.com