Posted on 04/25/2015 5:26:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
A God versus political correctness hoo-ha erupted when the Western Conservative Summit, which has been called the CPAC of the West, refused to allow the Log Cabin Republicans, a same-sex marriage advocacy group, a display table at their upcoming June 26-28 Summit in Denver. Various left-wing media lobbed the usual firebombs, claiming bigotry, hatred, homophobia, unfairness, some demanding boycotts of the Summit and pressuring scheduled speakers like Gov. Scott Walker and Dr. Ben Carson to bow out.
Both sides agree the conference, which attracts 4,000 participants, has the legal right not to sell the same-sex marriage group a display table; at issue is whether it’s morally correct.
The controversy is literally of Biblical proportions since The Western Conservative Summit (WCS15) is sponsored annually by the Centennial Institute (CI), which is part of Colorado Christian University (CCU). This isn’t about political correctness or the gay agenda, it’s about the Christian principles that CCU is committed to uphold. In refusing to support or endorse same-sex marriage at their confab, CCU and the Centennial Institute are just following God’s moral orders. But the secular left is woefully ignorant about the Bible and its teachings and thinks “marriage equality” trumps God’s man-woman marriage.
Said John Andrews, CI Director, “(Log Cabin Republicans) and your members are very welcome to get tickets and attend, but we can’t officially have the organization as a partner, exhibitor, or advertiser….your worldview and policy agenda are fundamentally at odds with what Colorado Christian University stands for, so it’s just not a fit…”
When the same-sex marriage lobby of which the LCR is a significant part, insists that upholding the Christian God’s moral rules is immoral, they are essentially accusing God of being a bigot and a hater. Is God a homophobe? This is where the same-sex marriage advocates fire up the usual accusations: “Doesn’t a loving God love all his children equally, and if so, doesn’t he lovingly accept all his children’s’ behavior?” Yes, but no.
The concept of a happy-talk deity, an endless gushing fountain of love, is a very modern invention. As the Judeo-Christian God, God the Father, makes it plain in his autobiography, the Bible, he isn’t a go-along-to-get-along kind of Dad. Like the best parents, he loves us but he also disciplines us, precisely because he loves us and yes, he knows what’s best for us. Our earthly fathers say, “My house; my rules.” Our heavenly Father says, “My Creation; my rules.”
God makes it clear in the second chapter of Genesis that he created man and woman for each other. Or to quote Mr. Obama in his televised 2008 interview with Pastor Rick Warren, “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman…for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union--God is in the mix.” But according to his pal David Axelrod, that speech was a fiction devised to win votes from the black community. Obama later revealed he was pro-same-sex marriage all along.
Yet many Christians take God’s ethical code seriously, despite being called crazed fundamentalists, cave-dwelling Bible thumping extremists and the like. God’s rules make our anything-goes secular culture squirm. He not only frowns on homosexuality, he calls it an “abomination” in Leviticus 18:22. In the same section he forbids incest, adultery, child sacrifice, and bestiality, branding them all abominations and defilements for his people. Ouch. In the New Testament, too, these behaviors are forbidden; most specifically by the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:26-28. God believes these practices lead to spiritual and physical ruin, and he wants to protect us from the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Secularists mock that these are ancient rules for another time and place; after all, we live in the 21st Century. But God doesn’t give us an expiration date for his moral laws. The secular absolutists worship tolerance but refuse to tolerate those who don’t agree with their political agenda. And political it is: the same Log Cabin Republicans who were threatening the Western Conservative Summit admit on their website that they exist solely to further the LGBT agenda through their DC lobbying office, funds from their federal and state PACs, state activist chapters, and through influencing the GOP from within.
From the LCR website: “To attain substantial legislative progress, we need votes from both sides of the aisle—Republican and Democrat. Over the last three decades, many gay and lesbian activists worked hard to make the Democratic Party more inclusive on gay and lesbian issues. Log Cabin Republicans are doing the same important work to transform the GOP.”
The 3 to 5 percent of the population who are gay and their supporters have, in a very short time, seen the courts overturn same-sex marriage bans passed in many states. But they haven’t been that successful with Republicans, about 82 percent of whom still believe in man-woman marriage. Unsurprisingly, Republicans and conservatives are also much more likely to be Christians while Democrats and liberals aren’t.
So Christians have unwittingly become the enemy. When opposed, the LGBT coalition lashes back with a level of retribution that’s been compared to the Mafia. They don’t stop at name-calling, but viciously shame, bully and even rob Christians of their livelihoods in the name of vengeance.
Gay activists’ boycotts, harassment, and vicious social media attacks shut down cake bakers, photographers, and others whose Christian beliefs compel them to decline services to same-sex weddings. Pastors in Idaho who wouldn’t perform same-sex weddings faced possible jail time and fines until the ACLU dropped its lawsuit. Last year, the newly-appointed CEO of Mozilla was forced out of his job by pro-gay-marriage fury when his $1,000 donation to support California’s 2008 anti-same-sex-marriage initiative came to light. Even when the Christian business wins, as did Chik-Fil-A, court costs are so overwhelming that smaller companies just shut down or back down. But in a recent Rasmussen poll, 85 percent of Americans said that business owners should be allowed to deny services for gay weddings if they have a religious objection.
The gay lobby’s spitefulness belies their pleas for inclusivity and mutual respect, and their claims of oppression by evil Christians. Who are the loveless, tyrannical bigots here? Christian-phobia threatens the religious liberty guaranteed in the First Amendment, while same-sex “marriage equality” is an invented concept attempting to piggyback on the Civil Rights movement of the 1960’s.
In the Western Conservative Summit fracas, diplomacy and party diversity triumphed when state GOP chairman Steve House offered the Log Cabin Republicans a seat at their table, and both the LCR and Summit Director John Andrews agreed. Would that the same-sex lobby could take note and learn what compromise and inclusion are all about.
I think it's mostly superficial. The Ick Factor is still there.
God doesn’t engage in name calling. That’s for children, or liberals.
“Pretty soon they’ll be claiming heterosexuality is a symptom of homophobia.”
Sheesh dude... don’t give them any more ideas.
Next thing you know, more rights and liberties will disappear and the deductibles will rise even further.
But the homos rioted against the psychiatrists and the cowardly APA voted to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic Staticians Manual (DSM) around 1973. That science can be manipulated by such intimidation is a complete scandal
Can I insist I be allowed to advocate adultery and claim God loves adulterers? Because--actually he does!
< But adultery, of course, is still a sin!
Matthew Chapter 19: He (Jesus) answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”[”
AND: 28 "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Now that last verse is pretty tough, as almost every man commits, some several times a day. I know I do and have, and must ask for forgiveness and strength to overcome it. BUT--and here's the important part!--I do recognize that adultery is sinful and wrong, and I DO NOT ask God to bless my sinful behavior, nor ask His followers, that is, Christians to celebrate it because I think it is OK.
Only hypocrites excuse homosexual sex as a sin but not other kinds of sins. ALL are sins! To ask a church or Christian to excuse sin of any kind is simply wrong. Of course we love all men as our neighbor, just as our Lord asks us to, but we do not love the sin itself.
Sorry, I just can't accept the premise that there are things too stupid for the to try without some else giving them the idea.
God has no fear of queers.
Neither do any of we “homophobes”, the misnomer label hung on those of us who call sin a sin.
God finds ANY sexual sin particularly offensive. I cannot find where He declares homosexual sin more offensive than other sexual sin. He designed the joy of sexual activity for husband and wife exclusively, and any perversion, from lust, to porn, to fornication, to masturbation, adultery, homosexuality, etc., of that design is sexual sin.
fetish means ..irrational desire....
so simple question
is homosexuality a rational desire...what function does it serve in the human being?
vs heterosexuality that is self evidently a rational desire it serves a necessary function.
these days people are confuse phobia with fetish
Well, let’s see what God says about homosexuality.
Romans 1:..
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
Note also that Romans 1:32 points out that those who approve of such conduct are just as guilty as those who engage in it.
Lev 18:22 “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination....
25‘For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.”
What did Jesus say about homosexuals. I’ve checked the entire New Testament and can’t find a single thing one way or the other.
has anybody ever found something in the Gospels that Jesus said about homosexuals?
Just to clarify, I am asking what Jesus said. To be sure, Scripture is against homosexuality. I was just looking to see if I missed anything Jesus said about it in the Gospels. I can’t find a thing. It just strikes me as weird that Jesus never made mention of it, unless I missed it.
Unpack the question, “Is God a homophobe?” and its underlying assumption comes to light. The question can be translated, “Does God conform to some standard higher than God?” As soon as we ask that question, we’ve robbed God of His deity, since God by definition can have nothing above Him.
“A providential God has given us warning as a blessing. He who has ears, let him hear.”
Amen. “For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.” Romans 5:6
“but God shows his love for us in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Roman 5:8
Jesus came to save the “ungodly” (ALL of us). However, He didn’t just come to save us from the penalty (hell) of sin, but from its’ domination over us (from sin itself). The Lord Jesus is in the business of saving souls and the lives they lead thereafter. He would be a poor savior to merely forgive sin, and leave the sinner an unchanged sinner. For more information see:
“All of Grace” by C.H. Spurgeon
http://www.spurgeon.org/all_of_g.htm
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
Sorry; but they cannot get the credit.
Good men; doing nothing; have done it.
I think you've got it!
So when He said...
Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matthew 10:15
You can be SURE that the reference He was making was WELL understood by His audience; too.
I don't recall Jesus ever 'saying' that a person should not chop another fellas leg off; but I'd bet money He was against it.
I once responded to someone supporting the notion that if one is against homosexuallity, then you are homophobic, by countering if they supported paedophilia, and they said no, to which I then said they were paedophilia-phobic, to which I added “See how simple that was?”.
He seemed to get how ignorant the whole homophobic label was.
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