Posted on 04/24/2015 7:54:48 AM PDT by xzins
Next week, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear cases that will likely determine whether same-sex marriage will become a legal nationwide.
The justices have rolled four cases together that will allow them to decide two questions: must states recognize other states' gay marriages, and does the Constitution require states to allow same-sex marriage?
Some believe the justices have already decided to create that right before hearing the case. But others say the matter is far from decided.
On Wednesday, a panel discussion at the Family Research Council was swimming upstream against conventional thought on the issue.
That is, it's a foregone conclusion that the Supreme Court justices will rule homosexuals have as much of a right to same-sex marriage as heterosexuals do to traditional marriage.
But these panelists pointed out there's evidence the justices won't rubber stamp gay marriage.
"When the lawyers walk into that courtroom on Tuesday morning, they're going to be walking into a situation where there are three-and-a-half justices who've said 'no constitutional right to same-sex marriage' and no justices who've said there is a constitutional right," former Supreme Court Clerk Gene Schaerr said.
One of the more interesting propositions brought up at Wednesday's panel discussion is that maybe the Christians of the world owe it to the homosexuals to point out that their lifestyle is intrinsically wrong.
"Faith actually teaches nothing about hatred toward gays and lesbians; in fact, the opposite. But it also says the behavior is damaging and harmful to your eternal salvation. That's the faith teaching," John-Henry Westen, editor-in-chief of LifeSiteNews, said.
"But they also know from the empirical evidence that the behavior is damaging to your body as well," he added.
Westen argued that Christians need to say to gays, "We love you enough to tell you this is harmful. In fact, we'll even take the hater and bigot label so that we can tell you this because we care about you."
Genesis 1
English Standard Version (ESV)
26 Then God said, “Let us make man[h] in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
I read a book about the Plymouth Colony, “puritans” or whatever. Religion was a big thing for them. Marriage was NOT part of that. Married was a natural and normal affair and wholly outside of the business of the church, it was just what was.
Unmarried adults were considered strange, because it was not considered normal.
Envision this: A man wearing a moustache and a dress teaching 5th graders...and not a thing that we can do about it.
That all depends: Ask Connecticuthow well their draconian gun law is doing.
Hmmm, perhaps that is because there has been no ginned up hysterical movement for anyone to stand up for the 'rights' of the interdominational partners or the divorced.
While you are correct about these two examples, I am not so sure that they can be used to forecast the outcome for these new 'right' holders. (We already read reports of Christian pastors north of our border in Canada being arrested for preaching from the Bible on this matter.)
Agreed, I don’t believe that any of us knows the names of those calling the shots. (I agree with your estimate of two degrees of separation, but it may be higher.)
I suppose that's true in as much as there isn't really any Constitutional "right" to marriage. What's at issue is the right to have a gay "marriage" recognized in all states.
THE SOLUTION
For years I’ve posted that the ultimate goal of the homosexual normalization movement is to subvert the Church and all other moral resistance that stands in the way.
Now it has become clear to most people for the first time what the true objectives are.
Now I have also sought solutions, solutions that will endure and remain strong against all challenges. And I have found one. To understand what must be done will require you to think a little deeper and to think of something that as Mark Levin says “is a solution as big as the problem” meaning a solution that gets its hands around the ‘whole problem’.
First, here are some ‘knee-jerk’ solutions that don’t work or will not work:
1. DOMA. DOMA was no solution and already has easily been removed as an obstacle.
2. Amending the US Constitution. This is a step in the right direction but amending for the purpose of defining ‘marriage’ is short-sighted and can fail to gather sufficient momentum just as the BBA of years past (Balanced Budget Amendment). It’s actually pathetic to have to think we must amend our sacred document to guard against perversion and there’s no telling if such an amendment would stand the test of time as it may conflict with rulings of other amendments. Such a solution also attempts to enact morality and common sense which is a futile effort, an intractable problem because there’s always another exception, an offshoot, another ‘problem of the day’ that can’t be solved with legislation.
Basically, we can legislate neither morality nor common sense ***effectively***. It just cannot be done adequately.
But before considering other alternatives, we should take note of certain observations:
1. Americans by and large do not want to normalize homosexuality. Recent press and ‘polls’ are trying to condition Americans into thinking that they do want to normalize homosexuality. This is a lie.
2. 38 states passed state legislation defining marriage in its tradition sense or they voted against initiatives to legalize homosexual marriage or they passed laws or held referendums or amended their state constitutions to either ban homosexual marriage or define precisely what marriage is, between one man and one woman.
38 states; think about that.
12 States passed same-sex marriage legislation or initiatives.
3. Now note that it takes 3/4’s of states which is presently equal to 38 states to ratify a proposed amendment to the US Constitution thereby making the amendment a part of the US Constitution.
4. Federal Courts have struck down state bans, definitions and initiatives that seek to uphold traditional marriage.
5. The US Supreme Court is getting ready to review the definition of marriage and they are sure to rule for homosexuals. Justice Kennedy will be the swing vote just as he was when he ruled against DOMA in Windsor.
So given the 5 points above it would seem reasonable to amend the US Constitution to define marriage but as previously pointed out this would be solution that falls short.
To understand better, we need to look at the above five points again and importantly the second point. Read it again. What does it tell us?
It tells us the States have no power before the federal government.
It’s as simple as that.
Let’s repeat it with emphasis:
THE STATES HAVE NO POWER BEFORE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Now some may still think ... “Oh but Congress can amend the Constitution”. Think about this. Will the present makeup of Congress amend anything to express the Will of the People? The answer is absolutely not, they won’t even get it into a committee. They have been sold to the highest bidder. We live in a time when the corruption in Congress is so thick that it would be unbelievable to past generations.
Think about it some more in terms of the 10th Amendment. Is the 10th Amendment respected, observed, utilized? No, it is not. It has been subordinated by other amendments.
A Marriage Amendment will be challenged by rulings that elevate the 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments over it.
Now let’s repeat the main reality:
THE STATES HAVE NO POWER BEFORE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Why is this? How did this happen?
The answer is easily ascertained. This loss of power is a direct result of the 17th Amendment which extinguished the power of state legislatures before Congress. Just a note in passing, the 17th, the 16th and the 18th were all passed in 1913. They were all a stain on the US Constitution and serve as a clear illustration of how ‘knee-jerk’ reactions to problems and conflicts of the day can result in disaster.
Now, 102 years later, we have perversion threatening our freedom of conscience and the very fiber of our beings.
SO, if we are to consider amending our US Constitution, we must be very careful, very thorough, and we must understand the core of the problem. In all likelihood we only get one shot at this in our lifetime.
The root of the problem is the 17th Amendment. We can propose to repeal it but that can be a very hard sale, perhaps more difficult than privatizing Social Security. The 17th Amendment gave the power to vote to the people. In effect, to repeal it will launch a debate and war in society that will end up following so many directions that it will smother the entire reason of why we needed to do it in the first place; the reason for repeal will get lost in the noise and be forgotten.
But let’s look at the problem from a slightly different angle. If we can’t get at the root of the problem, can we get at the core of the problem?
The answer is yes. And it involves amending the US Constitution through the States asserting Article V.
Now I will repeat an illustration that shows us how the power of Article V can be unlocked by the States to restore federalism thereby restoring our liberty and saving our Republic. Note that this illustration condenses several of Mark Levin’s suggested Liberty Amendments and also has incorporated valuable input from concerned Freepers.
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AMENDMENT XXVIII
To redress the balance of powers between the federal government and the States and to restore effective suffrage of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:
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Section 1.
A Senator in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.
Section 2.
Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years nor more than eighteen years.
Section 3.
Upon a majority vote in three-fifths of state legislatures, specific federal statutes, federal court decisions and executive directives of any form shall be repealed and made void.
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Section 3 of the above illustration puts an end to the social tyranny of the federal government. Now I will point out that such an amendment does not get us out of the woods completely. US Supreme Court Justices can still base bizarre rulings from the 14th Amendment and other amendments to overrule a 28th Amendment like the one above. But then States can void such rulings and this sets the stage for a grand conflict that can be resolved by a President and a Congress that will reign in the US Supreme Court by packing it, cutting its budget and pruning its jurisdictions. The 28th Amendment can survive as a preeminent amendment of the US Constitution when voters and state legislatures unite to fight together.
WHAT WE CAN WE DO TODAY?
We should strongly recommend the following must-see video of Mark Levin be watched, consumed and studied:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZuV8JnvvA
And we should strongly recommend everyone to urge their respective state senators and state representatives, and the people that work for them, to view it also.
Most people today don’t even know who their state legislators are. Is this surprising in light of the 17th Amendment?
Start with a simple task today. Put it on your to-do list to find out who is your State Representative and who is your State Senator. Get their names, addresses and phone numbers. You will be astonished at how accessible and neighborly they can be.
And lastly, sign up here as soon as possible:
http://www.conventionofstates.com/
Lets just hope in 20 yrs after continued gay indoctrination "straight" adults are not considered strange....
lol
I actually have some sense that if God grants time and doesn’t wrap this thing up, that the destructiveness of homosexuality will again make itself evident and the people will have visual case studies proving they shouldn’t get involved in that behavior. It has been rejected in the past wherever it’s been tried, so there was a reason for that which is being overlooked. It’s destructive. That becomes evident. It gets again rejected.
But that takes time....a couple of generations at a minimum.
As for this court, they might as well make alcoholism a right. It, too, is dangerous. It, too, has research saying there’s some hazy genetic connection.
Sure, Scotus, let’s declare a known, dangerous behavior to be a ‘right’ in the face of ALL of human history.
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The Marxist’s deconstruction of our Words and Language has made words (like Right and Marriage) meaningless.
It is on purpose from the “Kill God (AND ESPECIALLY Christians)” groups who want to make mutilating oneself and abusing their bodies and using others in a vile, dehumanizing manner IS “Good”.
They want to totally transform the Christian Worldview of children to a Satanic, vile one-—where MAN becomes god (the oligarchy rules) and can force the peons to “think” Evil is Good, and doing unnatural, dehumanizing things to others is “Good”. If not able to trick adults, they will control the ideas of children and normalize evil—make it natural.
It removes our “Justice” (ethics) System, which has to be based on “Right Reason according to Natural Law” (Objective Truth)-—with moral relativism and evil vile ways to look at others (for the children). Groupings to destroy unity and force hate (Marxism to destroy Natural Laws and male/female natures/truth which has to start with brainwashing and abusing the children which they already do (the warping) in all public schools ).
It is to normalize tribal minds (puerile) like the harem boys of Afghanistan grow up to have-—full of hate, lies, and the ability to mutilate and kill even young children and women.
The Marxists have to have their legion of Brownshirts-—and homosexuals have ALWAYS been the leaders of all Fascist movements (Lively, Hari). Their practiced immorality desensitizes and is the slippery slope. Vice breeds more vice.
Remove morality from children by normalizing evil, vile way to look at the “Other” destroys Virtue and even Socrates knew that without Virtue there can be no civil society and no Freedom. They need the Christian religion DEAD in the minds of the future-—to remove Truth/Science (true Diversity and Unity) and God-—for chaos and revolutions.
“I believe we need to start thinking now about how we will do church underground. “
Not me. I’ll witness publicly. Damn anyone who wants to resent it.
By “underground” I mean without the stated worship services at a building open to the public, along with the required government approval and regulation thereof.
Nowadays people have a lot of false understanding about the Nazis. The Media people and other Communists have spent decades portraying them as "Right Wing."
Not only were they Left-Wing Christian hating Fascists, they were also heavily Homosexual. They *STARTED* as a Homosexual social club.
You want to see death and bloodshed caused by Homosexuals exerting their natural tendencies? Just look at what the Nazis did. Unfortunately the Homosexual nature of the Nazi Party was not widely discussed or disseminated.
Some will stand up some won’t. Its going to be interesting. I can tell you the population of GA is not going to go for it. Its going to cause a real fuss here.
I agree. The four leftists are in the bag already. Kennedy wrote Lawrence v. Texas. Roberts gave pro-bono (free) appellate representation to the homosexual lobby in the Roemer case. Read the decisions. The result is 6-3.
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