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To: af_vet_1981
af_vet_1981: "my actual question, af_vet_1981: "Do you think the Jewish refugees on the MSS St. Louis deserved to be denied a port of refuge by Roosevelt and sent back to Europe ?". "

To which I've never answered "yes", not once, though you have repeatedly mis-stated my answers as meaning, "yes".
What I've repeatedly tried to point out, and you have obtusely refused to grasp, is that the word "deserve" is inappropriate when matched with "denied".
A person might deserve or merit or qualify for admission or acceptance, to college, to a job or entry to the USA.
But a person does not deserve, merit or qualify for rejection because in all those cases, there are no standards for rejection, only for acceptance.
Indeed, in many cases, people who are fully qualified & deserving are not accepted simply because a position has already been filled.

And so with the MS St. Louis passengers who, to my knowledge, never applied for entry to the US, and so were not "rejected" any more than you or I are never "rejected" from jobs we never applied for!

So, it's your phrase, "deserved to be rejected" which I reject as inappropriate, and I question why you obtusely refuse to grasp that's what this discussion is all about?

You know, FRiend, at some point the Ninth Commandment comes into play here.
As a biblical scholar, you might want to refresh your memory on that one.

180 posted on 05/11/2015 2:50:27 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
To which I've never answered "yes", not once, though you have repeatedly mis-stated my answers as meaning, "yes".

I have mistated nothing. I have simply interpreted your responses as you seek to justify Roosevelt at the expense of the Jews, which I find particularly shameful.

at some point the Ninth Commandment comes into play here. As a biblical scholar, you might want to refresh your memory on that one.

Indeed, as does the second greatest commandment and the parable of the Sheep and the Goats.

The Jews were refugees. Roosevelt did poorly to deny them refuge in the US. The Jews were forced to return to Europe where many of them died in the Holocaust. Those that England finally took (288 out of 908) survived. 620 Jews were forced to return to mainland Europe but the Netherlands, Belgium, and France took them rather than force them to return to Germany. Roosevelt took none. That month Germany invaded Poland. The Jewish refugees were trapped, although 87 managed to get out of Western Europe before it was invaded in 1940. Of the remaining Jews about half survived and half perished. Roosevelt had the choice to save them and turned his back on them. Another ship with Jewish refugees with 72 passengers was later allowed to find temporary refuge in the US Panama Canal Zone, and the US later admitted most of them.

182 posted on 05/11/2015 5:29:20 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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