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Tampa Bay Times: ‘Shall Not Be Infringed’ Does Not Mean What It Says
breitbart.com ^ | 3/30/2015 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 03/31/2015 5:52:30 AM PDT by rktman

On March 26, the Tampa Bay Times responded to the numerous pro-Second Amendment bills making their way through the Florida legislature by suggesting that “gun rights are not absolute.”

In other words, “shall not be infringed” does not mean “shall not be infringed.”

According to the Times, the numerous gun rights bills–especially campus carry–show that Republican legislators are controlled by the NRA and do not understand that if certain limits are not placed on Second Amendment rights, public safety is sacrificed.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; fl; florida; guncontrol; infringed; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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" Republican legislators are controlled by the NRA". WTH? I thought it was the Koch Bros that controlled congress. Anyway, our misunderstanding of "infringed" coupled with a spate of shootings recently in the area is their basis for claiming "we don't get it". Guess their getting their stats and info from nannie bloomers and the momunists demanding something.
1 posted on 03/31/2015 5:52:30 AM PDT by rktman
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I just wonder if the federal government is going to start subsidizing every newspaper when they all go bankrupt.


2 posted on 03/31/2015 5:55:31 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

That idea has been floated by the Washington post...


3 posted on 03/31/2015 5:59:01 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: rktman

Damage to public safety by following the plain wording of the 2AMD is a situation that is proven to be the opposite of what is claimed. And the 2AMD is absolute even if Public Safety is “compromised.” Trading liberty for safety and security is a fool’s errand, after all because the result of the trade is, as wiser men than those at the Tribune understood, that neither condition remains after the trade.


4 posted on 03/31/2015 6:01:40 AM PDT by arthurus (it's true!)
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Tampa Bay Times = hipster fishwrap.


5 posted on 03/31/2015 6:01:46 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: rktman

Freedom of the press doesn’t necessarily mean freedom of the press.

I’m sue this paper would love to hear that.


6 posted on 03/31/2015 6:01:51 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Tulane

Tampa paper is just barely right of WaPo, NYT. Pretty much parrots their mantra.


7 posted on 03/31/2015 6:01:56 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: demshateGod

They were infringed in the 1930’s when they banned full-auto. The Left keeps bringing that up.


8 posted on 03/31/2015 6:03:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rktman
These guys all agree. Guns should only be in the hands of the givernment who knows what's best for you:
9 posted on 03/31/2015 6:04:03 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: rktman

Tampa Bay Times is a commie rag.


10 posted on 03/31/2015 6:05:10 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: demshateGod; rktman
demshateGod :" I just wonder if the federal government is going to start subsidizing every newspaper when they all go bankrupt."

They arleady are subsidizing them
Where would Goebbles be if he had no voice to the people to spout propaganda ?
These newspapers were previously trusted, as they use this past trust for continued subscriptions
as do national TV stations
but notice that viewership is constantly dropping, as are subscriptions
"We the people" are awakening , perhaps slowly ,.. but surely !
We prefer sites that encourage us to think , .. and not take news in '30 second sound bites', which have been pre-selected, and produced for entertainment.
We want knowldege ,.. not propaganda !

11 posted on 03/31/2015 6:06:36 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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Cognitive dissonance.. back when I was anti-gun, I insisted that we really didn't understand the Constitution nor what the Founders really meant and intended. So I did some research on what they ACTUALLY had said and written on the subject, and much to my dismay (at the time), discovered that YES, they DID mean what they said. I tried to wiggle my way around the "militia" part, but in became eventually clear to me, that I had it wrong.

It was a gun control debate that I lost against a Libertarian that set me on my way against Liberalism, but it wasn't easy at first.

12 posted on 03/31/2015 6:06:58 AM PDT by Paradox (and now here we are....)
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The Forefathers should have been clear with what they meant to say instead of stating an ambiguous “shall not be infringed”. /s


13 posted on 03/31/2015 6:08:48 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Jesus Christ.

When I was a flight attendant and the company was trying to screw us over, bending the contract to fit their needs, their answer when we would protest that they were violating our contract was always,”I know that’s what it says, but that’s not what it means.”


14 posted on 03/31/2015 6:14:49 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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——“gun rights are not absolute.”-——

Well...gun rights are not absolute...

“Shall not be infringed” doesn’t mean guns should be treated like candy...

The criminally insane, the psychologically damaged, the other various bad evil people, don’t need access to guns...by legal means...

It’s called common sense...

Tampa Times can’t seem to understand the difference...


15 posted on 03/31/2015 6:15:44 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: Paradox
It was a gun control debate that I lost against a Libertarian that set me on my way against Liberalism, but it wasn't easy at first.

As asked on another thread "If liberals are the good guys, why do they lie so much?" And you've shown a light right into the heart of the question with your story.

Liberals lie because they know once they can get people to commit to their narrative, thesis, or social standard, even by deception, it's harder than hell to get them to admit they got suckered, so the lie becomes self-reinforcing.

16 posted on 03/31/2015 6:17:09 AM PDT by papertyger
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Of course there are restrictions. Otherwise, prisoners in jails could/would open carry, 16 year olds could open carry at school, etc etc

This isn't the wild west....well except for Chicago....

17 posted on 03/31/2015 6:17:55 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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...if certain limits are not placed on Second Amendment rights, public safety is sacrificed.

The simpleton that wrote that doesn't understand that without the rights protected (note, that is protected, not granted) by the Bill Of Rights public safety is severely endangered - by our own government.

I'd like to ask him/her - or any lib lurkers out there reading this who think that mental midget makes sense... What other "certain limits" would you place on our rights?

RE: the 1st, maybe only "certain" religions merit protection. Maybe only "certain" speech is protected. Other, non-approved religions and inappropriate (hate?) speech will be quashed. As long as the right people get to decided what is approved and appropriate...

RE: the 4th, maybe we just take the attitude that "certainly" ... if you have nothing to hide and aren't breaking any laws then you "certainly" won't have any problem with a little search/inspection/questioning once in a while. It's for the children, to keep them safe. By definition the innocent will be let go and only criminals need fear this. That whole 4th Amendment is over-rated. Of course, we have so many laws and regulations on the books now it is just about guaranteed that every one of us is in violation of something. But don't worry, as long as the right people get to arbitrarily decided what laws/regulations to enforce or ignore...

What do you think lib-lurkers? How much power do you want the government to have? How much? Great, now turn over control of that power to your worst enemy, you know, someone like Sarah Palin and say Rush Limbaugh. ;-) Still think it is a good idea for the government to have that much power and control? No? Good, you're learning. Try to expand your mind outside that parochial, over-messaged world you live in. Realize that for every person you think is a great leader and you wish they had more power to do the things you agree with, to someone else that person represents their worst fears incarnate. Best if neither of you has live with someone having that much power/control.

18 posted on 03/31/2015 6:19:38 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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” Republican legislators are controlled by the NRA”. WTH? I thought it was the Koch Bros that controlled congress. “
Let me explain...
They all sit at a huge round table in a circular room hidden in a volcano. On the walls are world maps tracking their plans for domination. They all wear masks and every so often, one of them shows an inclination to be less evil so another of them, usually La Pierre, pulls a lever and the wavering guy falls, chair and all, into a shark pit to be an example for the others to be even more ruthless. There used to be 3 Koch brothers but now the remaining 2 are, shall we say, dedicated.
Good thing the caped crusader, mild mannered George Soros, is on their trial with his super car and shoes stuffed with gadgets supplied by Q.


19 posted on 03/31/2015 6:20:23 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger

trial = trail


20 posted on 03/31/2015 6:21:19 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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