Jeb and Walker’s Immigration Double-Talk

The Daily Beast ^ | March 27. 2015 | Ruben Navarrette Jr.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Scott Walker and Jeb Bush were bound to collide sooner or later. It turned out to be sooner.

As the son of a Baptist minister, and the son of the 41st president of the United States, these two were destined to be the odd couple of the 2016 election. Walker is running against the establishment and the Washington elites. Bush embodies both. Walker will need at least $100 million to compete in the GOP primary, and more if he makes it to the general. Most of the Republican donors who write those kinds of checks are on Bush’s speed dial.

Bush could be successful in a general election but he first must survive what is likely to be a brutal primary battle for the GOP nomination. He’ll have to convince far-right voters that he is conservative enough, and those are some of the very people who seem so enamored of Walker. Small world.

The collision was over immigration. During a recent trip to New Hampshire, Bush was asked by a reporter if he believed the Wisconsin governor had changed his views on the issue to appeal to the far right.

“He changed his views on immigration,” Bush said of Walker........

What will the Walkeristas—not to mention assorted members of the Tea Party—say about that? Sounds like Walker himself has a pretty good idea what they’d say, because the same afternoon the Journal posted its piece, a Walker spokeswoman said, “We strongly dispute this account.”....

Walker and Bush certainly aren’t the only politicians on the planet who have altered their views on immigration.....

[Cincinatus' Wife]

On Immigration, Cruz Aims for Middle Ground......... "Asked about what to do with the people here illegally, however, [Cruz] stressed that he had never tried to undo the goal of allowing them to stay.

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.".......

[SoConPubbie]

Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

Please back-up the statement concerning self-deportation. Cruz has NEVER stated that.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Quoted in Red State:

http://www.redstate.com/diary/freedomrepublican/2015/01/10/on-immigration-cruz-and-paul-are-right-rubio-and-walker-are-wrong/

” What Mr. Cruz has tried to articulate in both word and deed is a middle ground. It got no support from Democrats in Washington, but it goes further than many on the far right want to go by offering leniency to undocumented immigrants here already: A path to legal status, but not to citizenship. A green card with no right to naturalization.

Immigration-reform legislation from the Senate’s so-called Gang of Eight passed that chamber in June and includes a 13-year path to citizenship. Mr. Cruz pushed unsuccessfully for amendments that would have, among other things, eliminated the citizenship component.

Asked about what to do with the people here illegally, however, he stressed that he had never tried to undo the goal of allowing them to stay.

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

Mr. Cruz said recent polling indicated that people outside Washington support some reform, including legal status without citizenship. He said he was against naturalization because it rewarded lawbreakers and was unfair to legal immigrants. It also perpetuates illegal crossings, he added.”

[SoConPubbie]

Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

Deceptive wording.

That is simply a crappy journalist inserting his own opinion by mentioning Romney's position.

Senator Cruz DID NOT state that.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Take from it what you will (or won’t).

My point is the apparent hypocrisy from fellow FReepers about this issue - slamming Gov. Walker while ignoring the same positions held by Sen. Cruz.

If you don’t like what Cruz said, then tell me what his stand on the illegals in the country is.

??

[ansel12]

So you are dedicating yourself to stopping Cruz?

[Cincinatus' Wife]

In case anyone is interested:

When Scott Walker came out with his budget; the dawn of the siege on Madison, WI:

March 2011: Walker Revokes In-state Tuition For Undocumented Students Attending Univ And Colleges In Wisconsin "..........More than 200 protestors were outside the company with signs calling Walker, "You dirty rat" and "Shame, shame." ........................"

[Cincinatus' Wife]

No!

I’m asking YOU to stop dedicating yourselves to stopping Walker.

I do not go on threads and slam Cruz.

I am not slamming him on this thread.

[Leep]

The pro regressive journalist are attempting to use Amnesty, knowing many on the right are strongly against it, as a way to devide and conquer.
What does the left care anyhow except to try they are pretending to make liars out of the opposition?

[ansel12]

You posted an article that doesn’t even mention Cruz, and then your very first post hijacks your own thread on Walker, to change it into an attack on Cruz.

You are are a dedicated warrior against Cruz.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Just like he did to Walker in this, Bush will do to Cruz.

These quotes are all ready and waiting for the first debate.

So we need to stop Jeb not hurt Cruz and Walker.

[xzins]

“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.

The sentence does not say that Cruz advocated for self-deportation. It says that Romney advocated for self-deportation.

Cruz's believes in legal immigration and/or legal status. So do I. No amnesty. No path to citizenship for any illegal alien. Period.

The exception is if they are NOT caught here, and they get in the back of the legal line with properly filed papers in their country of origin.

I, personally, would also make an exception for children of illegals brought here by their parents who know no other home. I would require them to seek legal immigration or return to their parent's country, but I would provide an adjustment to their time of application for legal citizenship. I would also require them to renounce any other citizenship.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

You are are a dedicated warrior against Cruz.

Alinsky tactic - hmmm.

I like Cruz.

I like Walker more.

[reasonisfaith]

Double talk from candidates is what the establishment loves best.

[SoConPubbie]

My point is the apparent hypocrisy from fellow FReepers about this issue - slamming Gov. Walker while ignoring the same positions held by Sen. Cruz.

your problem, Cincinatus' Wife, is that your candidate, until just recently, was a big proponent of an Open Border and Amnesty.

In the interest of transparency, here's the full transcript of the 2013 exchange, which you can also watch in the video above. Emphasis added in a couple of places:

WALKER: If people want to come here and work hard in America, I don't care whether they come from Mexico or Ireland or Germany or South Africa or anywhere else, I want 'em here. To me, if people want to come and live the American dream, if they want to work hard and self-determination and have their kids have a better life, I mean that's what — whether you're folks like my brother's in-laws who immigrated a generation ago from Mexico or whether it's people like my ancestors who came from places like Ireland and Germany and other parts of the world many generations ago, there's a similar pattern there. That is, people who came, who risk a lot, whether it's traveling across an ocean or across a national border.

So anyway, long story short to that, not only do I think they need to fix things for people who are already here, find some way to deal with that (but also) there's got to be a larger way to fix the system in first place. Because if it wasn't so cumbersome, if there wasn't such a long wait, if it wasn't so difficult to get in, you wouldn't have the other problems that we have with people who don't have legal status in the first place.

That seems to be, at least to me, what I hear in the national debate, largely overlooked. It all is about the 11 million — and I don't know how we get that exact number because people, if they're not here legally, I don't know exactly how you figure out when it's 11 million, or 25 million or whatever it is, but we've heard enough about it that it's a real issue. But, like I said, I don't know why — you hear some people talk about border security and a wall and all that. To me, I don't know that you need any of that if you had a better, saner way to let people into the country in the first place.

DAILY HERALD: That's definitely true, but we have these millions of people. You don't deal with federal (issues) and I understand you don't need to have a position on this specific bill, but on the broad question, it would be interesting to know your thinking. The biggest split is about what to do with those 11 million or whatever it is. Can you envision a world where, with the right penalties and waiting periods and meet the requirements, where those people could get citizenship?

WALKER: Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think it makes sense. But what I'm saying is, in the context of fixing it. Because otherwise we do this kind of Band-Aid approach, and the federal government is — it's why I'm not a big fan of a lot of things in the federal government, regardless of party. Not that we're perfect of the state, but you can get your hands around issues like that at the state. The federal government, it just seems — just the mere fact that they're having that debate without having a discussion about, why is the system itself, why aren't we fixing that, just seems to be kind of the vacuum of that decisions are made in at the federal level.

Furthermore, while Cruz supports some form of legalization, he is steadfast in his refusal to support any form of citizenship for them, while Walker, seems to wobble based on the audience he is speaking to. And Walker definitely does not help his case speaking behind Closed, Locked doors to the Chamber of Commerce whose primary political cause is Amnesty.

Add to this Walker's wavering on this issue and his campaign staff (and I think Walker did too at least once) downright lying for him before until Walker finally came out and admitted that his position had changed, and you can see why Freepers are leery of Walker on this issue.

Now, with Cruz, he has maybe wavered on one position, legalization. On everything else, he has been rock-solid, so once again, it is clear why Freepers would be much more trusting of Cruz on Border issues and Amnesty than Walker.


Here is a list of what Ted Cruz supports with respect to Illegal Immigration and Border Issues from NumbersUSA.com. This is a list of his official positions:

From NumbersUSA:

1. Oppose Amnesty - OPPOSE offering the officially estimated 11 million people illegally in the U.S. long-term work permits and/or a path to citizenship (whether through a blanket amnesty or an "earned legalization" or other form)

2. Attrition through Enforcement - fund an Attrition Through Enforcement campaign to cause illegal aliens to self-repatriate back to their home countries over time

3. Mandate E-Verify - jobs held by illegal aliens be opened up for unemployed Americans and legal immigrants already here by requiring all businesses to use the Federal automated, rapid-response internet system (E-Verify) to screen out illegal foreign workers

4. Assist Local Police - federal government be required to cooperate with local officials and pick up all illegal aliens detained by local law enforcement

5. Defund Sanctuary Cities - reduce funding to state and local governments that adopt sanctuary policies and other rewards for illegal foreign workers and the companies that hire them

6. Fund Entry/Exit System - fully fund the completion of the entry/exit system at all borders and points of entry in which every person entering and leaving the U.S. is logged into a database which would notify law enforcement, businesses and others when a foreign tourist, student, worker or other fails to leave on-time? *(US-VISIT was approved by Congress in 1996 and has never been sufficiently funded and is largely incomplete.)

7. Border Security - fund and provide oversight for the full implementation of border security measures already signed into law

8. End Birthright Citizenship - move the U.S. in line with most other nations and stop the policy of giving automatic citizenship at birth to children when both parents are illegal aliens?

9. End Chain Migration - implement the bi-partisan, national Jordan Commission recommendation to limit family-based immigration to the nuclear family of spouse and minor children, thus eliminating the "chain migration" categories of extended family that are the key reason immigration has quadrupled since the 1960s

10. End Visa Lotteries - institute safeguards that will prevent importation of foreign workers any time they would threaten the jobs or depress the wages of American workers

11. Reduce Total Immigration - Until 1976, U.S. immigration tradition was an average of around 250,000 a year; since new legislation in 1990, it has averaged 1,000,000 a year. More than 38 million foreign workers and dependents now live in the U.S. At current rates, immigration will add more than 100 million additional people to the U.S. population by 2060. This government-forced rapid population expansion will require huge increases in energy, roads and other infrastructure and services.

[ansel12]

Seriously you want to use the Alinsky trick of pretending that you are not the Alinsky?

You post a thread topic of Walker and immigration, and then in the first post you hijack your own thread to turn it into a Cruz bashing thread instead.

Why would you do that, instead of making it about the article that you actually posted?

Is this a trick to get the article posted so that others can’t post it, and discuss the topic of the article, which is Walker and Bush?

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I see.

You’ve made quite a hobby of this.

Walker has stated his position:

Just as Ted Cruz said in 2013, Walker does not support amnesty.

Like Cruz, Walker supports a secure border.

[SoConPubbie]

When Scott Walker came out with his budget; the dawn of the siege on Madison, WI:

March 2011: Walker Revokes In-state Tuition For Undocumented Students Attending Univ And Colleges In Wisconsin "

The parts of Walker's spotty record on Amnesty and Open Borders that Cincinatus' Wife conveniently left out:

Scott Walker was definitive when asked about his position on illegal immigration earlier this month: “We need to secure the border. I think we need to enforce the legal system. I’m not for amnesty,” he told ABC News. “I’m not an advocate of the plans that have been pushed here in Washington.”

But the likely presidential candidate apparently stood on another side of that debate as the Milwaukee County Executive in 2006. That year, he signed a resolution calling on Congress to pass the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, a bill authored by John McCain and Teddy Kennedy that was denounced at the time by conservatives as “amnesty” — and remains anathema to party activists.

YouTube Link: Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, in his own words, endorses a path to citizenship for Illegal Aliens in July of 2013.

Yes, Gov. Walker supported path to citizenship: column

[Hugin]

Alinsky tactic - hmmm.

Yep. That's ansell2's MO, set up a straw man and slime the motives of anyone who disagrees. It's pretty clear to any reasonable person that you were doing no such thing.

[SoConPubbie]

Just as Ted Cruz said in 2013, Walker does not support amnesty.

Like Cruz, Walker supports a secure border.

It's called vetting. Most politicians lie.

Cruz has been dependable, Walker has not.

Never trust a politician who changes his position on a nation-killing policy position just before he runs for POTUS. NEVER.