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Take from it what you will (or won’t).

My point is the apparent hypocrisy from fellow FReepers about this issue - slamming Gov. Walker while ignoring the same positions held by Sen. Cruz.

If you don’t like what Cruz said, then tell me what his stand on the illegals in the country is.

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In case anyone is interested:

When Scott Walker came out with his budget; the dawn of the siege on Madison, WI:

March 2011: Walker Revokes In-state Tuition For Undocumented Students Attending Univ And Colleges In Wisconsin "..........More than 200 protestors were outside the company with signs calling Walker, "You dirty rat" and "Shame, shame." ........................"

My point is the apparent hypocrisy from fellow FReepers about this issue - slamming Gov. Walker while ignoring the same positions held by Sen. Cruz.

your problem, Cincinatus' Wife, is that your candidate, until just recently, was a big proponent of an Open Border and Amnesty.

In the interest of transparency, here's the full transcript of the 2013 exchange, which you can also watch in the video above. Emphasis added in a couple of places:

WALKER: If people want to come here and work hard in America, I don't care whether they come from Mexico or Ireland or Germany or South Africa or anywhere else, I want 'em here. To me, if people want to come and live the American dream, if they want to work hard and self-determination and have their kids have a better life, I mean that's what — whether you're folks like my brother's in-laws who immigrated a generation ago from Mexico or whether it's people like my ancestors who came from places like Ireland and Germany and other parts of the world many generations ago, there's a similar pattern there. That is, people who came, who risk a lot, whether it's traveling across an ocean or across a national border.

So anyway, long story short to that, not only do I think they need to fix things for people who are already here, find some way to deal with that (but also) there's got to be a larger way to fix the system in first place. Because if it wasn't so cumbersome, if there wasn't such a long wait, if it wasn't so difficult to get in, you wouldn't have the other problems that we have with people who don't have legal status in the first place.

That seems to be, at least to me, what I hear in the national debate, largely overlooked. It all is about the 11 million — and I don't know how we get that exact number because people, if they're not here legally, I don't know exactly how you figure out when it's 11 million, or 25 million or whatever it is, but we've heard enough about it that it's a real issue. But, like I said, I don't know why — you hear some people talk about border security and a wall and all that. To me, I don't know that you need any of that if you had a better, saner way to let people into the country in the first place.

DAILY HERALD: That's definitely true, but we have these millions of people. You don't deal with federal (issues) and I understand you don't need to have a position on this specific bill, but on the broad question, it would be interesting to know your thinking. The biggest split is about what to do with those 11 million or whatever it is. Can you envision a world where, with the right penalties and waiting periods and meet the requirements, where those people could get citizenship?

WALKER: Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think it makes sense. But what I'm saying is, in the context of fixing it. Because otherwise we do this kind of Band-Aid approach, and the federal government is — it's why I'm not a big fan of a lot of things in the federal government, regardless of party. Not that we're perfect of the state, but you can get your hands around issues like that at the state. The federal government, it just seems — just the mere fact that they're having that debate without having a discussion about, why is the system itself, why aren't we fixing that, just seems to be kind of the vacuum of that decisions are made in at the federal level.

Furthermore, while Cruz supports some form of legalization, he is steadfast in his refusal to support any form of citizenship for them, while Walker, seems to wobble based on the audience he is speaking to. And Walker definitely does not help his case speaking behind Closed, Locked doors to the Chamber of Commerce whose primary political cause is Amnesty.

Add to this Walker's wavering on this issue and his campaign staff (and I think Walker did too at least once) downright lying for him before until Walker finally came out and admitted that his position had changed, and you can see why Freepers are leery of Walker on this issue.

Now, with Cruz, he has maybe wavered on one position, legalization. On everything else, he has been rock-solid, so once again, it is clear why Freepers would be much more trusting of Cruz on Border issues and Amnesty than Walker.

Here is a list of what Ted Cruz supports with respect to Illegal Immigration and Border Issues from NumbersUSA.com. This is a list of his official positions:

From NumbersUSA:

1. Oppose Amnesty - OPPOSE offering the officially estimated 11 million people illegally in the U.S. long-term work permits and/or a path to citizenship (whether through a blanket amnesty or an "earned legalization" or other form)

2. Attrition through Enforcement - fund an Attrition Through Enforcement campaign to cause illegal aliens to self-repatriate back to their home countries over time

3. Mandate E-Verify - jobs held by illegal aliens be opened up for unemployed Americans and legal immigrants already here by requiring all businesses to use the Federal automated, rapid-response internet system (E-Verify) to screen out illegal foreign workers

4. Assist Local Police - federal government be required to cooperate with local officials and pick up all illegal aliens detained by local law enforcement

5. Defund Sanctuary Cities - reduce funding to state and local governments that adopt sanctuary policies and other rewards for illegal foreign workers and the companies that hire them

6. Fund Entry/Exit System - fully fund the completion of the entry/exit system at all borders and points of entry in which every person entering and leaving the U.S. is logged into a database which would notify law enforcement, businesses and others when a foreign tourist, student, worker or other fails to leave on-time? *(US-VISIT was approved by Congress in 1996 and has never been sufficiently funded and is largely incomplete.)

7. Border Security - fund and provide oversight for the full implementation of border security measures already signed into law

8. End Birthright Citizenship - move the U.S. in line with most other nations and stop the policy of giving automatic citizenship at birth to children when both parents are illegal aliens?

9. End Chain Migration - implement the bi-partisan, national Jordan Commission recommendation to limit family-based immigration to the nuclear family of spouse and minor children, thus eliminating the "chain migration" categories of extended family that are the key reason immigration has quadrupled since the 1960s

10. End Visa Lotteries - institute safeguards that will prevent importation of foreign workers any time they would threaten the jobs or depress the wages of American workers

11. Reduce Total Immigration - Until 1976, U.S. immigration tradition was an average of around 250,000 a year; since new legislation in 1990, it has averaged 1,000,000 a year. More than 38 million foreign workers and dependents now live in the U.S. At current rates, immigration will add more than 100 million additional people to the U.S. population by 2060. This government-forced rapid population expansion will require huge increases in energy, roads and other infrastructure and services.

“Take from it what you will (or won’t). My point is the apparent hypocrisy from fellow FReepers about this issue - slamming Gov. Walker while ignoring the same positions held by Sen. Cruz. If you don’t like what Cruz said, then tell me what his stand on the illegals in the country is.”

Fair point...THEY ALL SUCK on this. They are simply scared to death to use the “D” word (deportation), so they have their various “solutions” that do not involve deportations.

But it all ends the same - if you don’t deport, but have to say what you’ll do - you can say “do nothing”, or you can say “legalize”, or you can say “path to citizenship”.

Since no one (that I know of) is advocating the first, then the difference is whether these Illegals vote (i.e., citizenship), or whether their American-born kids vote (i.e., legalize only). If only their kids vote, then transition from a 2-party system to a single party system (i.e., Democrat) will take a bit longer (maybe 10 to 20 years), but it will happen.

So, yes, I’m not happy with Cruz’s remarks, I would have preferred he simply kept it vague, if that was his intent. Now he’s taken much of the wind out of his campaign and made himself only marginally better than Walker.