[DiogenesLamp]

You are right. The GOPe has an infrastructure that is powerful, that is effective at defeating conservatives. The GOPe is a lost cause.

I think the country is a lost cause. I think we are following Rome to the ash heap of history.

We should not be having these debates within our own party. The fact that we are indicates we have a systemic problem. The political forces and foundational assumptions move ever leftward regardless of which party is running things.

Both the Bushes have simply moved towards the enemy's goal posts instead of running in the opposite direction. The trend is toward more government, more spying, more control, and more dominance of everyone by the ruling class.

I think the country is broken, and I don't mean just the governance of it. It is the very people themselves who are sick and disoriented.

[Carry_Okie]

We should not be having these debates within our own party. The fact that we are indicates we have a systemic problem.

It's been going on for sixty years, at least.

[griswold3]

‘I think the country is broken, and I don’t mean just the governance of it. It is the very people themselves who are sick and disoriented.’
Agreed.
What do we gain when we win? Some temporary respite from the Communitarian agenda? We see the damage and HAVE to rebuild because that’s who WE are, only to watch ‘Progressives’ destroy (rinse and repeat).

[montag813]

Both the Bushes have simply moved towards the enemy's goal posts instead of running in the opposite direction. The trend is toward more government, more spying, more control, and more dominance of everyone by the ruling class.

George W. Bush's worst betrayal was lying to us about Islam, and letting radical Muslim criminal regimes off the hook completely.

[GraceG]

[ I think the country is a lost cause. I think we are following Rome to the ash heap of history.

We should not be having these debates within our own party. The fact that we are indicates we have a systemic problem. The political forces and foundational assumptions move ever leftward regardless of which party is running things.

Both the Bushes have simply moved towards the enemy’s goal posts instead of running in the opposite direction. The trend is toward more government, more spying, more control, and more dominance of everyone by the ruling class.

I think the country is broken, and I don’t mean just the governance of it. It is the very people themselves who are sick and disoriented. ]

One of my dreams involves all of the conservatives “going on strike” and basically handing everything over to the democrats in exchange to letting texas become it’s own country and moveing all the conservatives to texas. And then popping up some popcorn as the coasts implode.

[snarkybob]

“I think the country is broken, and I don’t mean just the governance of it. It is the very people themselves who are sick and disoriented.”

I think you’re correct.
I’m not sure what you would call it. Maybe just the march of time and the arc of any society.

I don’t know that traditional conservative values can rebound because I don’t think that as a society they’re valued by enough people anymore.

It’s like you said I think the people are just different now.
I’m not sure if the wheel can be made to turn the other way.

[Uncle Miltie]

People get the governments they deserve.

Look around.

[1010RD]

The truth can defeat a lie in an instant. Let’s get the truth out there.

[ecomcon]

I think the country is broken, and I don't mean just the governance of it. It is the very people themselves who are sick and disoriented.

This is the truth, and why the country as we knew it is lost. It is the result of 3 generations of secular humanism / moral relativism / libertinism. These people have had all the good bred out of them. They are unrestrained and depraved, and having rejected God's law, they are consumed by "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

Mass revival and repentance is the only way out.