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1 posted on 02/22/2015 9:03:48 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Because we aren’t cowards afraid of loud noises. In fact we like it.


34 posted on 02/22/2015 11:38:37 PM PST by vpintheak (Call them what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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"Whether the legal response in Britain and Australia lowered their annual toll of gun-related deaths is still debated..."

If the new gun laws had lowered gun related deaths this guy would be presenting the data. If the question is "still debated", it means the laws haven't changed a thing except taken guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals still have guns.

38 posted on 02/23/2015 3:19:42 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Save Western Civilization. Embrace the new Crusades.)
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"Australia reacted by banning several categories of weapons, a legislative feat which required ... a one-time national program to buy back guns, funded by a temporary tax, which spent $AUS 350 million to purchase 643,000 firearms."

So the gov't increased taxes on people so it could then "buy" guns from those very same people? Suckers.

41 posted on 02/23/2015 4:16:00 AM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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The Colonists faced off against the most powerful nation in the world and won. Today we face the dangers of the most powerful government in history and, with guns, we have kept it at bay so far. The rest of the world fails to realize what it would be like if they had to deal with an unchecked American government. They owe us a debt of gratitude.


43 posted on 02/23/2015 4:47:01 AM PST by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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Dumbass article.

It is NOT debateable.

After the UK and Australia/NZ did their hopolophobic thing with gun confiscation—robbery went up 44% in BOTH areas.

Of COURSE crime went up!


44 posted on 02/23/2015 4:58:40 AM PST by Flintlock (Soapbox didn't work; ballot box neither--we're left with the BULLET BOX.)
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Sheep don't rob and kill each other - those with weapons and means to kill them do the slaughtering. An unarmed society is no different than a society of sheep - they are easy victims for those that want to do them ill.

All "Utopian" dreamers either ignore that a tame and peaceful society is vulnerable to anyone who decides to hurt them, or secretly wants to be one of those who are in position to do the harm.

46 posted on 02/23/2015 5:09:06 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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And, we play real football without rioting and stomping each other to death.


47 posted on 02/23/2015 5:32:39 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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Some?

Why not Most?


48 posted on 02/23/2015 5:34:27 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Why Americans won’t give up our guns?? To protect ourselves from the following: 1)Government, 2)Terrorists 3)Obama Americans (aka thugs).


50 posted on 02/23/2015 5:44:40 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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Saw a recent list of murder rates for countries and the US ranked very low. Could it be that our gun ownership prevents far more deaths than it causes? Probably, but the government control freaks would never admit to that. Author of this article specified gun deaths to prove his point but ended up giving false data by excluding other causes of death. If guns are not available and an individual is determined, they will find another means of killing someone.


51 posted on 02/23/2015 6:09:45 AM PST by Boomer One ( ToUse)
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It’s those bitter clingers


52 posted on 02/23/2015 6:11:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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For Veronica Rutledge, the mother in the Walmart shooting, one has to assume the pleasure of owning and carrying her handgun and the protection she felt it afforded against harassment, rape or other crime was worth the low, mitigated risk of it being used by the wrong person — in this case her own toddler.

The jerk writer needs to read the American Rifleman, which every month has numerous articles about someone with a gun STOPPING a murder, violent crime, rape, etc.

No other media collects and talks about these types of stories, but they plentiful.

For every Veronica Rutledge (tsk-tsk bad guns) incident, there are dozens of heinous crimes STOPPED because of guns. Of course, the jackass writing this knows it, but refuses to describe or acknowledge it.

54 posted on 02/23/2015 6:43:55 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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I won’t because I don’t want to and they cannot make me unless they kill me.


55 posted on 02/23/2015 7:03:44 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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Guns have been a part of America since the first Pilgrims landed.
The first gun laws were in Massachustts, er, Massatusis, Aw shucks, the area around the Boston area in which a person was not allowed to travel unless fully armed, and a person was REQUIRED to bring their gun to church.

When the first American came to a new land without LORDS and LADIES, PRINCES, Counts and Vis Counts, they threw off the chains of serfdom they suddenly began to feel like FREE MEN and have never looked back.
Now certain elitists want us to return to the days of bowing and scraping to the “Lards and Laddies”.


56 posted on 02/23/2015 7:25:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Including suicides in gun deaths is a wrong approach. That inflates the numbers.
If they truly wanted to die, sleeping pills and other things on hand would have been used. You can’t blame guns for that.


61 posted on 02/23/2015 8:05:28 AM PST by tbw2
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Why Some Americans Will Never Give Up Their Guns

This is because those Americans know their history.

68 posted on 02/23/2015 11:42:43 AM PST by Dr. Prepper
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Lost in the gun rights debate, much to the detriment of American freedom, is the fact that the Second Amendment is in fact an “AMENDMENT”. No “Articles in Amendment” to the Constitution, more commonly referred to as the Bill of Rights, stand alone and each can only be properly understood with reference to what it is that each Article in Amendment amended in the body of the original Constitution. It should not be new knowledge to any American the Constitution was first submitted to Congress on September 17, 1787 WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. After much debate, it was determined that the States would not adopt the Constitution as originally submitted until “further declamatory and restrictive clauses should be added” “in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (the Constitutions) powers”. (This quote is from the Preamble to the Amendments, which was adopted along with the Amendments but is mysteriously missing from nearly all modern copies.) The first ten Amendments were not ratified and added to the Constitution until December 15, 1791.

In this Light:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” What provisions of the original Constitution is it that the Second Amendment is designed to “amended”?

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AMENDING THE PROVISIONS IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION APPLYING TO THE “MILITIA”. The States were not satisfied with the powers granted to the “militia” as defined in the original Constitution and required an amendment to “prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers. “(Again quoting from the Preamble to the Amendments.)

What was it about the original Constitutional provisions concerning the “Militia” that was so offensive to the States?

First understand that the word “militia” was used with more than one meaning at the time of the penning of the Constitution. One popular definition used then was one often quoted today, that the “Militia” was every able bodied man owning a gun. As true as this definition is, it only confuses the meaning of the word “militia” as used in the original Constitution that required the Second Amendment to correct. The only definition of “Militia” that had any meaning to the States demanding Amendments is the definition used in the original Constitution. What offended the States then should offend “People” today:

“Militia” in the original Constitution as amended by the Second Amendment is first found in Article 1, Section 8, clause 15, where Congress is granted the power:

“To provide for the calling forth the MILITIA to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrection and repel Invasions.” Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16 further empowers Congress:

“To provide for the organizing, arming, and disciplining, the MILITIA, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;” Any “patriot” out there still want to be called a member of the “MILITIA” as defined by the original Constitution?

Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 empowers: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the MILITIA of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;” The only way the States would accept the “MILITIA” as defined in the original Constitution was that the Federal “MILITIA” be “WELL REGULATED”. The States realized that “THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE” required that the “MILITIA” as originally created in the Constitution be “WELL REGULATED” by a “restrictive clause.” How did the States decide to insure that the Constitutional “MILITIA” be “WELL REGULATED”? By demanding that “restrictive clause two” better know as the “Second Amendment” be added to the original Constitution providing:

“THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.” The States knew that “PEOPLE” with “ARMS” would “WELL REGULATE” the Federal “MILITIA”!

Now read for the first time with the full brightness of the Light of truth:

“A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”

For those still overcome by propaganda:

The Second Amendment declares by implication that if the “MILITIA” is not “WELL REGULATED” by “PEOPLE” keeping and bearing arms, the “MILITIA” becomes a threat to the “SECURITY OF A FREE STATE.”

The “MILITIA” has no “RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS” in the Second Amendment, rather it is only “THE RIGHT OF THE “”PEOPLE”” TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (that) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”


77 posted on 02/24/2015 9:49:33 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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“an annual toll of around 32,000,”

In a country where 2,500,000 die every year from all causes, this would be a total of 1.3% What foreigners often fail to understand is the sheer size of the US- we are nation of 300+ million people. As a percentage, this is miniscule, even if it is enough to wipe out the “armies” of some socialist rump states of the European Union. Of course, it gets painted as huge by the domestic enemies of the US who wish for the government to monopolize real power and intend to create said monopoly in the name of ‘safety’ or some other utopian rubbish.


78 posted on 02/25/2015 5:34:53 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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