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Why Some Americans Will Never Give Up Their Guns
Fiscal Times ^ | Feb 20, 2015 | Simon Hankinson

Posted on 02/22/2015 9:03:48 PM PST by upchuck

America is a relatively new country with few of the buried skeletons of older cultures, but if you spend much time overseas, there are still a few aspects that are tough to get across to the host country. One is race; another is guns.

On the last day of January, a toddler staying with his parents and sister in an Albuquerque, N.M. motel room reached into his mother’s purse, pulled out a loaded gun, and with one shot hit both his father and pregnant mother. At the tail end of 2014, a two-year-old boy shot his mother in a northern Idaho Walmart while shopping with his cousins to spend their Christmas money. Back in August of 2014, a nine-year-old girl accidentally shot the instructor who handed her an Uzi at a shooting range near Las Vegas.

These incidents are hard to explain to foreigners not only for how they happened, but for how they changed nothing.

In 1996, a deranged man with a gun killed 16 schoolchildren in Dunblane, Scotland. The reaction was public revulsion followed by further tightening of already strict laws on gun ownership in Britain.

The same year, a massacre by a man in Tasmania using multiple semi-automatic weapons killed 35 people. Australia reacted by banning several categories of weapons, a legislative feat which required concerted action by all its states as well as a one-time national program to buy back guns, funded by a temporary tax, which spent $AUS 350 million to purchase 643,000 firearms.

Whether the legal response in Britain and Australia lowered their annual toll of gun-related deaths is still debated, but theirs were already fractions of ours: According to figures from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime for 2012, Britain suffered 0.07 gunshot homicides per 100,000 and Australia 0.14, where the United States had 2.97. When you add in deaths by suicide and accident, the U.S. rate of death rises to 10 in 100,000 each year, yet the UK to only 0.25.

Citizens from countries with low rates of death involving firearms have a hard time understanding America’s acceptance of an annual toll of around 32,000, of which 11,000 are homicides and the rest suicides or accidents (and police shootings, for which accurate statistics are not compiled). Our public response to each disaster – Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Fort Hood, the Washington Navy Yard, Sandy Hook and so on – follows the same pattern: There is a wave of public revulsion, sympathy and anger.

Those in favor of some restrictions attempt to use the momentum to pass laws requiring background checks or limits on magazine size or the sale of assault weapons. Those who believe gun ownership should not be limited, while condemning the criminal act and sympathizing with the victims, keep quiet and wait out the wave of public anger, which each time dissipates without legislative result. There does not seem to be an act so egregious that it breaks this pattern — if the murder of 20 elementary schoolchildren in Sandy Hook didn’t, nothing will.

What foreigners should understand is that this is part of our culture, not a lack of progress toward some world norm. Americans own 88 guns per 100 people, but that doesn’t mean ownership is evenly spread. For many, especially in rural parts of the country, owning and using guns is just a completely integrated part of life, like using household appliances.

Unlike rural Afghans or Chechens, for whom weapons are also an important cultural accessory, here the family is included, with guns designed to appeal to female customers and even children (like the “My First Rifle” by Crickett that a 5-year-old boy used to shoot his cousin in April 2013). This is easily caricatured as a rednecks vs. urban elites ideological divide, but the truth is that for a significant percentage of intelligent, vocal and politically active Americans, guns are part of a lifestyle worth defending at high cost, and the positives of guns simply outweigh the risks.

For Veronica Rutledge, the mother in the Walmart shooting, one has to assume the pleasure of owning and carrying her handgun and the protection she felt it afforded against harassment, rape or other crime was worth the low, mitigated risk of it being used by the wrong person — in this case her own toddler.

This is a facet of America that visitors should be well aware of, along with the risk of occasional tragic results: On Oct. 17, 1992, Yoshihiro Hattori, a Japanese exchange student was looking for a Halloween party, knocked on the wrong door in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and was fatally shot by the owner, Rodney Peairs, who was acquitted of murder. In April 2014, German exchange student Diren Dede was shot dead by a homeowner in Missoula, Montana. This time, the homeowner was convicted of deliberate homicide, as he had apparently been lying in wait with intent. On Feb. 13, he was sentenced to 70 years in prison.

To those with strong beliefs in Second Amendment gun rights, the annual accidental deaths and homicides are tragic but not sufficient reason to change existing laws: They are caused by people and thus the solution lies in people, not hardware. The American gun divide is almost religious in nature; it is nearly impossible to convert someone from one side to another, and probably pointless to try. What we must do is find a way to live with two radically different philosophies side by side in the same country.

At this point, gun rights advocates have won the campaign over who can be armed and what with, so where people carry is the focus of debate: Should states and towns be allowed to determine whether citizens can be openly armed in Starbucks or the grocery aisle? Does the 10th Amendment ever trump the Second? The constitutionality of efforts to limit public gun-carrying in Washington, D.C., are currently before federal court. The issue is whether requiring a permit, for which a special need related to employment or protection must be shown, infringes the Second Amendment.

So far, the city has lost. The Virginia legislature is debating whether people should be allowed to drive around the state with loaded shotguns in the trunk. (Delegates might want to Google “road rage in South Africa” as background research.) They’ll probably approve the measure. As this issue plays out in each state and town, the only certainty is that there will continue to be thousands of shootings, mass or individual, accidental or on purpose, each year.

The one thing Europeans should not expect as a result of the New Mexico, Idaho or any American gun tragedy is that it will bridge this cultural divide and lead to legislative change.


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To: upchuck
"Australia reacted by banning several categories of weapons, a legislative feat which required ... a one-time national program to buy back guns, funded by a temporary tax, which spent $AUS 350 million to purchase 643,000 firearms."

So the gov't increased taxes on people so it could then "buy" guns from those very same people? Suckers.

41 posted on 02/23/2015 4:16:00 AM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: doorgunner69

DITTO!


42 posted on 02/23/2015 4:38:03 AM PST by Renegade
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To: upchuck

The Colonists faced off against the most powerful nation in the world and won. Today we face the dangers of the most powerful government in history and, with guns, we have kept it at bay so far. The rest of the world fails to realize what it would be like if they had to deal with an unchecked American government. They owe us a debt of gratitude.


43 posted on 02/23/2015 4:47:01 AM PST by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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To: upchuck

Dumbass article.

It is NOT debateable.

After the UK and Australia/NZ did their hopolophobic thing with gun confiscation—robbery went up 44% in BOTH areas.

Of COURSE crime went up!


44 posted on 02/23/2015 4:58:40 AM PST by Flintlock (Soapbox didn't work; ballot box neither--we're left with the BULLET BOX.)
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To: vpintheak

And don’t forget the smell. I love the smell of a range.


45 posted on 02/23/2015 5:07:49 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Do you know who Barry Soetoro is?)
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To: upchuck
Sheep don't rob and kill each other - those with weapons and means to kill them do the slaughtering. An unarmed society is no different than a society of sheep - they are easy victims for those that want to do them ill.

All "Utopian" dreamers either ignore that a tame and peaceful society is vulnerable to anyone who decides to hurt them, or secretly wants to be one of those who are in position to do the harm.

46 posted on 02/23/2015 5:09:06 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: upchuck

And, we play real football without rioting and stomping each other to death.


47 posted on 02/23/2015 5:32:39 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: upchuck

Some?

Why not Most?


48 posted on 02/23/2015 5:34:27 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: cpdiii

Cold,
dead,
Hands .


49 posted on 02/23/2015 5:43:08 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: upchuck

Why Americans won’t give up our guns?? To protect ourselves from the following: 1)Government, 2)Terrorists 3)Obama Americans (aka thugs).


50 posted on 02/23/2015 5:44:40 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: upchuck

Saw a recent list of murder rates for countries and the US ranked very low. Could it be that our gun ownership prevents far more deaths than it causes? Probably, but the government control freaks would never admit to that. Author of this article specified gun deaths to prove his point but ended up giving false data by excluding other causes of death. If guns are not available and an individual is determined, they will find another means of killing someone.


51 posted on 02/23/2015 6:09:45 AM PST by Boomer One ( ToUse)
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To: upchuck

It’s those bitter clingers


52 posted on 02/23/2015 6:11:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Euro-peons” LOL Very good!


53 posted on 02/23/2015 6:25:42 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: upchuck
For Veronica Rutledge, the mother in the Walmart shooting, one has to assume the pleasure of owning and carrying her handgun and the protection she felt it afforded against harassment, rape or other crime was worth the low, mitigated risk of it being used by the wrong person — in this case her own toddler.

The jerk writer needs to read the American Rifleman, which every month has numerous articles about someone with a gun STOPPING a murder, violent crime, rape, etc.

No other media collects and talks about these types of stories, but they plentiful.

For every Veronica Rutledge (tsk-tsk bad guns) incident, there are dozens of heinous crimes STOPPED because of guns. Of course, the jackass writing this knows it, but refuses to describe or acknowledge it.

54 posted on 02/23/2015 6:43:55 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: upchuck

I won’t because I don’t want to and they cannot make me unless they kill me.


55 posted on 02/23/2015 7:03:44 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: upchuck

Guns have been a part of America since the first Pilgrims landed.
The first gun laws were in Massachustts, er, Massatusis, Aw shucks, the area around the Boston area in which a person was not allowed to travel unless fully armed, and a person was REQUIRED to bring their gun to church.

When the first American came to a new land without LORDS and LADIES, PRINCES, Counts and Vis Counts, they threw off the chains of serfdom they suddenly began to feel like FREE MEN and have never looked back.
Now certain elitists want us to return to the days of bowing and scraping to the “Lards and Laddies”.


56 posted on 02/23/2015 7:25:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Candor7

Do you realize there are hidden caches of Russian weapons hidden through out the USA smuggled in back during the COLD WAR? They were to be given to infiltrators if a real war between the USA and the USSR broke out.


57 posted on 02/23/2015 7:28:31 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Europeans have had thousands of years of serfdom to various elites and would not know how to act in a truly FREE society.

It has been said you could pick out an American tourist in the old EUROPE because they walked UPRIGHT with ASSURANCE and not bent over with their head down.


58 posted on 02/23/2015 7:31:39 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: CurlyDave
Obama has come to the US as a dictator, and has not gone. What good did our guns do us?

...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

59 posted on 02/23/2015 7:31:42 AM PST by papertyger ("News" is what journalists want you to hear.)
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To: Mears

The British police state. Here defined as any state which has a monopoly on firearms ownership.

Although the reality of modern Britain is that it really is just a smiley face fascist police state. And since it now focuses on depriving the native white English of their rights, it’s one of the worst in history.


60 posted on 02/23/2015 7:48:20 AM PST by Regulator
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