Posted on 02/05/2015 2:26:31 PM PST by goldstategop
So here’s Obama’s opinion: Ukraine should not get military aid from the West because even with American help, Russia would still mop the floor with them. And this, according to the Times, is what Obama thinks will intimidate Putin into signing a peace treaty. I’ll offer the president some free advice: telling Putin the world is too weak to stop him isn’t very intimidating.
Yet even if the West got Putin to sign on to a new agreement, nothing will have been accomplished. Putin has been violating the last ceasefire agreement, because there’s no one to enforce it. What Obama, Merkel, and Hollande are working for, then, is a non-solution–an agreement that would allow everyone involved to pretend it’s more than it is, and which would implicitly (if not explicitly) accept Putin’s previous land grabs in Ukraine while asking him nicely–on the honor system–to stop taking more land.
You can see what bothers the Ukrainians about this. They are at war, and high-level delegations from France, Germany, and the United States all flew in to tell them, personally, that they’re a lost cause. They either don’t realize it or don’t seem to care, but three major Western powers just went out of their way to ostentatiously humiliate their besieged ally on the world stage.
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Notice that to our enemy’s supporters like goldstategop, Obama is already taking too strong of actions against the Russian invasion as they move up to our NATO borders and wipe out the buffer nations.
I’ve been on the Obama diet.......
Every day, I let Putin eat my lunch
Note how the entire world is in chaos thanks to odumbo’s weakness? Granted there have been conflicts here and there but until a new conservative “American” president is elected, we can anticipate the chaos to continue. The world knows odumbo is weak and his policies support the unrest. We will not see “peace” as long as that idiot remains in power. He needs to be GONE before the world settles back down and the U.S. is once again noted as the most powerful nation on the planet.
Note how the entire world is in chaos thanks to odumbo’s weakness? Granted there have been conflicts here and there but until a new conservative “American” president is elected, we can anticipate the chaos to continue. The world knows odumbo is weak and his policies support the unrest. We will not see “peace” as long as that idiot remains in power. He needs to be GONE before the world settles back down and the U.S. is once again noted as the most powerful nation on the planet.
The Ukraine is a large country, with a big population and it’s own arms industry. Only a small portion is in pro-Russian hands. I don’t see any reason the Ukrainians can’t bleed Russia dry, if they continue to have the will to fight. Meanwhile Russia’s economy is in free-fall with Putin forced to blame imaginary speculators. He’s still popular because he controls the media, but that can only last so long before reality sets in.
Don't forget their involvement in driving Khadaffi out of power. That's worked real well for them, too (sarcasm).
I can't imagine why Europe would want Ukraine to have more arms to fight a war. Who knows where those arms would end up?
Really?
What’s he done? Send Kerry to toss medals in Kiev?
You seem to be living in an alternative universe.
So you are arguing that we should be taking a harder line with Russia’s invasion and that Obama has not been doing enough?
I agree, America/NATO should be squeezing Putin much harder.
At least we are creating that rapid reaction force and perhaps we will sell some weapons to Ukraine, and of course the sanctions.
His nuclear RT-2PM Topol mobile ICBM systems are of recent vintage. Our Minuteman systems are ancient.
That is only because NATO forces were/are hampered by ridiculously restrictive rules of engagement and were given the impossible mission of creating a modern nation where there has never been a nation at all. In comparison, the Soviet Union's mission in Afghanistan was to conquer by any means necessary with zero considerations for the lives of non-combatants...and they still lost!
The shirtless man you openly deride bested the Chechens, seized Crimea and has now gotten the West to offer him a capitulation.
That shirtless man you praise simply bought the Chechens, he pays the largest faction to keep order and pays for Chechen mercenaries to fight and rape wherever Vlad tells them to go. He seized the Crimea and is besting Western leaders, not because of skill or power, but because our leaders are dumber than the adults on South Park. We in the West have ALL of the economic and military power to destroy Vlad, but we don't have the Churchills, Reagans, or Abdullahs. Any person with sense can see that the Russian Bear has no claws or teeth left, all they can do is roar.
I am not a fan of Putin’s adventures but one can’t help but admire his gustiness.
Why? Do you admire Stalin's gusto? Putin is just another egomaniac with a God-complex. A dangerous animal that needs to be put down, not admired.
Nukes are highly overrated, no one can afford to use them. The Russians may rattle the nuclear sabre a lot, but its just rattle. Conventionally, we still overmatch the Russians.
A MAD man I see, an overrated doctrine as well. There are people who are willing to pay that price, on the bet that "mutual" is an empty threat.
With this President, that may be a safe bet.
It's not that the West is weak but rather the West is insufficiently motivated to embark on what will most certainly become World War III over a small regional conflict in a part of the world Westerners hold little interest.
Those beating the drums for war often trot out the tired line, "Have you forgotten 1938?" Maybe the problem isn't that we have forgotten 1938 but that we remember 1914 all too well.
Actually, I don’t subscribe to the MAD doctrine at all. The reason I say that no one can afford to use them is because of the political fallout first, THEN the inevitable nuclear ass-rape dished out on the first nation to launch. The exception to this rule are Islamists, because they don’t GAF. For everybody else, I predict that conventional warfare will make a comeback when fear of actually being nuked disappears. Its a mind over matter thing, if you don’t mind then the nukes don’t matter.
I have my doubts Zero would give that order.
If Zero refused to retaliate, he would find himself replaced very quickly.
At the very least, impeaching and trying the creep would take several days. With DC a smoking ruin, I don't see that happening quickly from inside a bunker.
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