Posted on 02/03/2015 7:15:43 AM PST by azkathy
Rand Paul: Most vaccines should be ‘voluntary’ By ADAM B. LERNER 2/2/15 2:42 PM EST Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) waded into the debate over vaccinations Monday, telling conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham that he thinks most vaccines should be “voluntary.” Paul, an ophthamologist and likely 2016 White House hopeful, expressed particular concern over mandatory vaccinations for sexually transmitted diseases. He criticized former Texas Gov. Rick Perry for his executive order mandating that Texas children receive the HPV vaccine. “I’m not anti-vaccine at all,” Paul said, but “I think that’s a personal decision.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/rand-paul-vaccines-114834.html#ixzz3QhA3J7zr
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Lifetime immunity from the shots is known to be false. I’m surprised it’s on their website.
” For example, 9% of children having two doses of the vaccine, as public health authorities now recommend, will have lost their immunity after just seven and a half years. As more time passes, more lose their immunity. “This leads to a paradoxical situation whereby measles in highly immunized societies occurs primarily among those previously immunized,” Dr. Poland stated.”
From this article:
From the article you linked:
“People’s failure to get vaccinated is deplorable, Dr. Poland often stresses.”
SHOW ME DATA IN GEORGIA OR THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES THAT SHOWS A 300% GREATER INCIDENCE OF AUTISM FOR BLACK MALES IN THE OVERALL POPULATION.
Yes, I know the data that showed in their sample that was discarded. But it should be infinitely easy to show that black males are 300% more likely to have autism than any other group in the overall population.
The data was properly discarded, it has been written about extensively, it incorporated inoculation records of a sample group that included a federally funded pre-school program for autistic black males which required immunization to enroll. Yes, this data was tossed. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT PAN OUT FOR THE GREATER POPULATION. It is bad data, unless you've got some evidence to show it isn't?
I'm waiting...
How do you expect me to show you something the CDC has admitted to throwing away?
Are you daft?
Show me Lois Lerner’s hard drives!
(see how that works?)
Really? Then where is the data? Thompson sat silent for 10 years and all of a sudden feels guilty for what he (and his colleagues) did? He feels so bad, in fact, that he's hiding behind the whistle blower laws. And this is the kind of guy the anti-vaccine industry wants to hold up as their proof? Good grief, you people will believe anything.
Thompson is quick to indict his coworkers even though there’s no evidence that they did anything wrong. Unless, of course, you believe that disagreeing with Thompson on how to analyze the data is criminal. Thompson has turned a scientific disagreement into allegations of unethical behavior based on accusations he is also running from - “Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information.” Wow, Thompson disagrees on how to interpret data? This is hugh and series. He claims, after 10 agonizing years of wrestling with his conscience, that the data allegedly omitted is significant. His colleagues disagree. We have never seen anything like this in modern science before. No wonder the mommy-bloggers are on the warpath!
Never does Thompson claim that he expressed any reservations to his colleagues that this data was not included in the paper before it was published. He says “I believe the protocol was not followed”.....I believe...? With such certitude from the accuser how could anyone doubt the veracity of this man's claims?
But Thompson is an amiable guy who also believes, like every other scientist worth the paper his degree is printed on, that CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent.
And the crowd goes wild!
The best part of this story is that it confirms what we have known to be true for a long time: Brian Hooker is a gutter dweller who will say and do anything to advance his junk science driven cause.
This doctor has guys like Hooker, Wakefield and Thompson figured out:
"If you analyze data enough times and enough ways, you're bound to find something that is statistically significant," said Witznitzer, after looking at both studies. "This does not mean that the result is a true positive (vs. a false positive) or meaningful."
Same as it every was.....*yawn*....and the panic of the Luddites continues.
Perhaps you are willfully ignoring my question, which of course is your choice. If the data that was discarded was indicative, it would show up in the overall population.
Does it?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/autism-rates-higher-among-certain-immigrants-minorities-1403543838
It would seem that there is not a 300% increase in the incidence of black males getting the MMR vaccine and having autism.
So, knowing that the data does not pan out for the population, what scientific use is this data that demonstrates that there is a 300% increased incidence of autism among black males after the MMR vaccine?
Oh, right, the CDC tossed out this bad data in their report, so they are reaching into other reports. Perhaps their influence stretches to the recent Danish report? Which just about mirrors the same percentages in the WSJ report. Again, no 300% increase in the incidence of autism among black males.
Show me ANY report on the planet from ANY country which indicates that there is a 300% increased incidence of autism among black males. Aside from the one dataset which was tossed out in the Georgia study, none has mirrored these results.
Now of course, you’ll yet again ignore this.
Plenty of people feel guilty for years before they finally cop to bad behavior. Deathbed confessions aren’t unheard of by any means.
Why do you think he would toast a heretofore fine career otherwise?
Perhaps he met an African American child with severe autism and had personal experience with the results of his data exclusion.
Perhaps he had a medical scare of some sort and feared meeting his maker with this on his conscience.
It’s difficult to believe he would have wanted to ‘wakefield’ himself for no purpose.
The only question is, how many of his OTHER papers are suspect now. Was there an understanding that such things were tolerated or even expected?
This same sort of ‘coming out’ has happened many times in the climate science industry as well.
Corrupt science eventually falls apart.
Would this be the Denmark report by Thorsen?
Who stole $1M from the CDC/NIH and was under indictment in Denmark?
Who Colleen Boyle, in congressional testimony, was so fast to indicate that ‘2 studies don’t make a portfolio of research’, knowing he was involved in way more than just 2 studies? in refuting the importance of his studies to their dataset?
I just hope you’ve gotten your MMR up to date. Surely, if you and your children haven’t had adult doses you are rushing down to your local Walgreens to get them. Correct? I’d hate for you to criticize the unvaccinated only to realize that your immunity had worn off and YOU were the unvaccinated you were hating on.
Show me any data from any national or regional report that shows that black males have a 300% increased incidence of autism. Until you can show that anywhere in the world, the data was properly discarded as it doesn’t pan out in the overall population.
Show me Lois Lerner’s hard drives.
Until you can, you have no proof she targeted conservatives!
And do tell us if your vaccinations are up to date. ALL of your vaccinations are currently up to date. That means MMR, TDaP, flu, Shingles, etc. I’m sure you would never ever be a hypocrit.
Run right down to Walgreens this afternoon. Hurry scurry.
Ok Freepers, since the new Republicans are in office can we get them to address this? “The whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward after a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for original data on an autism study was filed and these highly sensitive documents were received with the assistance of U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.”
http://oversight.house.gov/subcommittee/full-committee/
Issa isn’t on the committee now. Please check for your representative and respectfully ask them to look into this problem. If they already have the documents and they have a CDC Whistleblower isn’t it their job to at least investigate the cover up/corruption? The committee website does state, “Blow the whistle on fraud and abuse.”
I also favor small pox, it was stopped because there are a certain amount of deaths because of the vaccine and they had had no smallpox deaths in years.
I think you are being deliberately obtuse. The issue isn’t whether or not vaccines would vaccinate a newborn. The issue is whether or not all newborns NEED a STD (or IV Drug use) vaccine at all. As another poster said here, it has everything to do with the lowest common denominator and not science.
TPTB do not want to say “this specific % of the population is at risk and should/must have the Hep B vaccine.” So, due to their cowardice (and likely their avarice as well) they decree everyone should have it. Again, this is exactly the same thing we are facing in our “war on terror.” Afraid to follow the proven model of profiling the % of people most likely to pose a risk means everyone gets treated like a terrorist, to avoid offending terrorists. Both are insane and both should be questioned by the sane.
You really need to read up on vaccines if you think they last for 20 years. There is documentation that vaccines start diminishing in effectiveness in as little as two years and that you may have no protection whatsoever after 7-14 years.
RE Gardisil there are over 100 types of HPV. Gardisil is a false sense of security. ALthough I am sure that they are working on vaccines for all the types and it will soon be part of the vaccine schedule as well.
Bottom line, everyone should be afraid of over vaccination creep. It is unfolding right in front of us. We are currently the most vaccinated country on the planet. We are also the most chronically ill and disabled. Newborns get 72 shots by the time they are 18. Right now they get 7 shots at 2 mos of age and 8 more at 4 mos. The average person in their 40’s and 50’s had 7 shots spaced out, much later in life. The CDC’s own guidelines used to be no more than 4 shots at once. They doubled it in 2013 to 8.
My husband’s only Uncle died in WW2...serious family issues evolved...what’s your point?
“The issue is whether or not all newborns NEED a STD (or IV Drug use) vaccine at all.”
No, that’s not the issue, that’s just what you want the issue to be. The fact is that nobody needs any vaccinations, because they are preventative medicine, not treatments. So your question is not sensible.
“You really need to read up on vaccines if you think they last for 20 years.”
That is the minimum (not maximum, minimum) effective life of that particular vaccine, so no, I don’t think I need to “read up”.
“RE Gardisil there are over 100 types of HPV”
Besides the point. I mentioned it only to illustrate that it doesn’t matter when you propose to administer a vaccination, the anti-vaxxers will always object, because they aren’t objecting based on reason, just on emotion. So there is no point trying to please them, because you won’t be able to.
“We are also the most chronically ill and disabled.”
Ha! Perhaps if there was not a lifetime government subsidy for being “disabled”, our numbers would fall back in line with the rest of the world. Control for that, then get back to me.
Gluten free superstition is very annoying. Its a way for young college age and inner city hipsters to take place in acts of debauchery, but then feel good about themselves because they are gluten free.
Does this look accurate to you? http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
There are a number of ingredients in this list that I would like to avoid.
You can hunt around on the web for the package insert documents themselves. They are out there and give the specific ingredients in each particular vaccine.
Not count the extra stuff added by Chinese corruption along the way. Or important stuff left out due to same.
And it degrades into personal attacks as soon as the conspiracy is challenged like normal.
There is not a 300% increase in black males with autism, which is why you can’t find anything to support your point. Leaving out this useless data point was a valid scientific choice as it was invalid. With or without it, the Georgia survey could find no correlation between MMR vaccine and autism that can stand up to general incidence of autism in the population as a whole.
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