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After 12 Years in a Coma This Man Said “I Was Aware of Everything,” But He’s Not The Only One
Life News ^ | 1/23/15 | Ken Connor

Posted on 01/23/2015 8:05:13 AM PST by wagglebee

The history of human knowledge as it relates to the human body is a fascinating and terrible thing. In every age, the ability for physicians and other medical practitioners to effectively treat wounds or combat disease has been constrained by the technology – or lack thereof – available at the time. In the past, people often died from illnesses or injuries that are quite treatable today. Over the centuries, we’ve come a long way. Our understanding of human physiology and biology has enabled us to improve quality of life and extend life expectancy beyond anything our ancestors could have imagined.

Despite our advances, however, there remains a great deal that we don’t fully understand. The human brain, in particular, represents a vast frontier of mystery. There’s much we’ve learned, but for all our progress, it seems we’ve hardly scratched the surface of understanding this most complex of human organs. Unfortunately, it is often the most vulnerable among us who pay the price of our ignorance. In the mid-20th century, neurologists were certain they had discovered a cure for mental illness in lobotomy. But for the victims of this procedure, the price of scientific inquiry was often disastrous.

Thankfully, victims of mental illness no longer have to fear involuntary lobotomy or other ghastly experiments, but there are still vulnerable people who are paying a high price for our lack of understanding of how the human brain works. Patients diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state have long been written off by the medical community as a lost cause – a waste of medical resources. In the name of compassion, the families of such individuals have been counseled to withhold nutrition and hydration. They have been assured that their loved one is completely unaware of their surroundings and past any hope of recovery. Sometimes this course of action is pursued even when family members insist that they see signs of responsiveness and awareness in their loved one.

The Terri Schiavo case is one such example. Terri’s parents spent hours each day with their daughter and insisted that she was responsive; her husband insisted that she was a vegetable and past any hope of meaningful recovery. After a bitter legal battle, Terri’s husband prevailed and his wife’s feeding tube was removed. It took Terri Schiavo 14 days to die from starvation and dehydration.

Terri’s husband (who had found comfort in the arms of another woman) insisted he was doing right by his wife. He insisted that she would not have wanted to live in a persistent vegetative state. He maintained that his wife was completely unaware of her surroundings, incapable of perceiving her situation, virtually dead already. In recent years, however, there have been some remarkable stories of individuals diagnosed as being in persistent vegetative state who have regained consciousness.

Martin Pistorious is one such example. After a progressive disease rendered him unable to move or speak, doctors determined that the boy was in a persistent vegetative state and advised that his parents let him die. From NPR:

“But he didn’t die. ‘Martin just kept going, just kept going,’ his mother says. His father would get up at 5 o’clock in the morning, get him dressed, load him in the car, take him to the special care center where he’d leave him. ‘Eight hours later, I’d pick him up, bathe him, feed him, put him in bed, set my alarm for two hours so that I’d wake up to turn him so that he didn’t get bedsores,’ Rodney says. That was their lives, for 12 years. Joan vividly remembers looking at Martin one day and saying: ‘I hope you die’ . . . . And she didn’t think her son was there to hear it. But he was.

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‘Yes, I was there, not from the very beginning, but about two years into my vegetative state, I began to wake up,’ says Martin, now age 39 and living in Harlow, England. He thinks he began to wake up when he was 14 or 15 years old. ‘I was aware of everything, just like any normal person,’ Martin says. But although he could see and understand everything, he couldn’t move his body. ‘Everyone was so used to me not being there that they didn’t notice when I began to be present again,’ he says. ‘The stark reality hit me that I was going to spend the rest of my life like that – totally alone.'”

Pistorious’ story is not unique. There are several documented cases of individuals believed to be “brain dead,” individuals for whom the prospect of an agonizing death by starvation and dehydration was a real possibility if not for the faithfulness of their caretakers. Unfortunately, for every lucky person who was allowed to live long enough to make their state of consciousness known, untold numbers of individuals have likely been allowed to wither and die. A study published in the medical journal The Lancet last year indicates that people diagnosed in PVS (persistent vegetative state) may have a much greater level of awareness than the diagnosis implies. This raises significant ethical concerns surrounding the decision of whether to continue life sustaining measures for these patients. In the words of Dr. Steven Laureys, lead physician on the study, “if life support and feeding are to be withheld, ‘we better get it right.'”

These cases of mistaken diagnoses demonstrate why we should err on the side of caution in protecting the lives of people whom some would otherwise be inclined to dispose of because of brain damage. Clearly, we have not yet arrived at the point where we fully understand how the brain functions after injury. “Persistent vegetative state” is not a diagnosis that can be made with certainty, and this means that sometimes we’re getting it wrong, and people are being sentenced to the worst kind of death: condemned to starve and dehydrate while completely aware of what’s happening, unable to speak out or communicate a desire to live.

This issue magnifies a foundational principle animating the pro-life movement: the belief that the right to life if the foundation of all other rights, the right without which no other right can exist. From this conviction flows the belief that a just society is bound to protect its most vulnerable members, including the very young (the unborn), the very old, the sick, and the disabled. This does not mean that people should not be able to make end of life decisions for themselves, however. On the contrary, people should give great consideration to how they would like to be treated if they find themselves in a coma or a persistent vegetative state and they should make their wishes known through what are known as advance directives or living wills. People have a right to forbear medical treatment if they choose, but that right should be exercised by the patient and not by a third party who stands to gain from their demise or is ignorant of their views on the subject.

Recognizing our fallibility, society should err on the side of preserving innocent life. Conflicting hearsay and self-interested decision making should not suffice to end the life of another, as it did in the Terri Schiavo case. The consequences of being wrong are simply too great.

LifeNews Note: Ken Connor is an attorney and co-author of “Sinful Silence: When Christians Neglect Their Civic Duty.” He is also the Distinguished Fellow of Law and Human Dignity at the John Jay Institute’s Center for a Just Society.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coma; euthanasia; kennethconnor; martinpistorious; moralabsolutes; prolife; terrischiavo
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To: wagglebee

All I want to know is, in general, do you believe an individual has a right to specify what actions should be taken for their health if they are no longer able to make decisions for themselves?


81 posted on 01/23/2015 1:48:24 PM PST by offwhite
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To: offwhite; FamiliarFace; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
Oh well. I'm done.

Chickenshit.

You've turned this into another Terri thread, just like you wanted to.

No, that would be the AUTHOR who was one of the attorneys trying to save Terri. His conclusion makes it clear that it's still about Terri:

Conflicting hearsay and self-interested decision making should not suffice to end the life of another, as it did in the Terri Schiavo case.

But again, why do talk about "another Terri thread"? You joined A MONTH AGO, I don't recall there being any other threads about Terri in the last month.

82 posted on 01/23/2015 1:48:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: offwhite

You dance real purty.


83 posted on 01/23/2015 1:51:44 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: offwhite

Until her case, I had never heard of it being allowed via hearsay. Wasn’t the fact that she hadn’t signed a living will one of the many issues surrounding her case?


84 posted on 01/23/2015 1:53:01 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: offwhite
She left no living will. Even if she had, I doubt she would have chosen the horrific way she was murdered. Besides, what is wrong with bringing up Terri's case? It stunned and shocked many of us.

With Jeb Bush running for president and pretending to be a Conservative, it gives the story added relevance. He could have called a special prosecutor, he could have taken other steps to save her. But he chose not to do it. Then he could have taken action to solve her death, exposed all the injustices done to her. Again he chose not to do it, revealing that he lacks any sense of compassion.

85 posted on 01/23/2015 1:53:32 PM PST by Dante3
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To: DJ MacWoW
LOL!

I wonder which anti-FReeper cesspool this one oozed out of.

86 posted on 01/23/2015 1:54:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: offwhite; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; Dante3; Jim Robinson
Hey TOL, it looks like another retread troll got rezotted.

Thanks Jim!

This one was also pro-abortion:

Abortion should have been a state issue.

The USSC found that women have a constitutionally protected right to privacy, and that abortion falls under the right to privacy.

87 posted on 01/23/2015 2:11:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; trisham; BykrBayb
And the Grand Inquisitor spent over four hours grilling that troll.

Have a great weekend.

88 posted on 01/23/2015 2:14:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Interesting. What a lovely surprise. I wonder if it’s just a suspension zot or a more permanent one.


89 posted on 01/23/2015 2:29:02 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: offwhite; wagglebee; humblegunner; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; Arrowhead1952; LUV W; Eaker; ...

So long, offwhite (Posting History)
Hat Tip to wagglebee, who pinged me
Unable to answer a simple yes or no question, this troll wastes The Grand Inquisitor's time
And finally ends up in the Viking Kitties' Soup Cauldron



Retreading is a hanging offense around here. So don't come back, loser.



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

90 posted on 01/23/2015 2:49:35 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: offwhite; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; Chode; shibumi; ...

BEHOLD, A RETREAD!! THE TROLLS ARE UPON US!
COME, SISTERS, LET US SHARE THE PRIZE BETWEEN US!

YEA, URSULA, WE SHALL SPIT HIM ON OUR SPEARS!

MMMMM, SPITTED TROLL BE A TASTY FEAST...

91 posted on 01/23/2015 3:12:44 PM PST by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: TheOldLady
soup, it's what's 'fer dinner! 🍲:-/

92 posted on 01/23/2015 3:14:32 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: Old Sarge
need some grey puepon with that?

93 posted on 01/23/2015 3:17:09 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: offwhite

May you personally find yourself in need of someone else to make an important decision for you, and they value dog spit above you.


94 posted on 01/23/2015 3:22:17 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: offwhite; TheOldLady; KC_Lion; F15Eagle; Hardraade; MestaMachine; Zionist Conspirator; 50mm; ...
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You're not "offwhite".

You (and your retread/troll buddies) are living in a VERY, VERY DARK PLACE indeed.

You and your Retread/Troll friends should probably go watch this video, fer sure!

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95 posted on 01/23/2015 3:39:55 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: FamiliarFace
It's a zot, he will retread again though.
96 posted on 01/23/2015 3:56:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: F15Eagle
Yep, Jen has as much blood on his hands as anyone.
99 posted on 01/23/2015 5:28:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TheOldLady

WOW. That was one helluva zot. LOL


100 posted on 01/23/2015 5:59:27 PM PST by Viking2002 (Buy a generator and alert the power company - next Christmas, I go Full Griswold.)
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