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Governor: Legalizing pot was bad idea
The Hill ^ | January 23, 2015 | Kevin Cirilli

Posted on 01/23/2015 7:13:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Colorado’s decision to legalize marijuana was a bad idea, the state’s governor said Friday.

Gov. John Hickenlooper, a Democrat who opposed the 2012 decision by voters to make pot legal, said the state still doesn’t fully know what the unintended consequences of the move will be.

If I could've waved a wand the day after the election, I would've reversed the election and said, 'This was a bad idea,’” Hickenlooper said Friday on CNBC's “Squawk Box.”

“You don't want to be the first person to do something like this,” he said.

He said that he tells other governors to “wait a couple of years” before legalizing marijuana as Colorado continues to navigate an unknown, non-existing federal regulatory landscape for the industry.

“There's a whole regulatory environment... that really regulates alcohol,” he said. “We're starting from scratch and we don't have a federal partner because [marijuana] is still illegal federally.”

In February 2014, the Obama administration released guidelines for the marijuana industry indicating the federal officials would not target financial institutions or businesses engaging in selling pot as long as those businesses were compliant with state laws.

Despite the guidelines, banks are reluctant to finance marijuana businesses in states where it is legal because federal law still lists marijuana as an illegal drug. Congress would need to pass a law removing that language.

Marijuana is legal in four states: Colorado, Oregon, Alaska and Washington. Congress has blocked the District of Columbia from legalizing pot after voters in November cast ballots that they wanted to make the drug legal.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: buyersremorse; cannabis; dontbogartthatjoint; drugs; federalism; johnhickenlooper; legaldope; marijuana; nannystate; pot; potheads; warondrugs; wod
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To: ican'tbelieveit

The bible recorded a distinction between the broad morality of keeping civic order and more closely personal canons of morality, clear back with the covenant with Noah.

The usage of intoxicants would fall within the personal sphere. If, under the influence of same, people misbehaved within the public sphere, they would be liable in the public sphere for that misbehavior.

Without God’s plan to hang their hat on, people can only end up in endless control struggles.


181 posted on 01/23/2015 1:12:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
You are depending on it, it seems. Gee, if the government says it is ok, then it makes it harder for you to raise your children. The government is always going to do something that is contradictory to morally sound parenting choices. That is why the government shouldn’t be in the business of regulating morality. Period.

So if you don't like black people, and you don't want to serve them in your restaurant, "the government shouldn’t be in the business of regulating morality. Period." Is that about right?

You have a right to be immoral if you want, right?

182 posted on 01/23/2015 1:14:34 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

When someone invents a Breathalyzer for THC the whole pothead world will change.


183 posted on 01/23/2015 1:16:49 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Those who ship mind-altering drugs make money from it - money voluntarily paid by those to whom it is shipped. How is that not commerce?

I'm sure you can get people in this country to pay you for shipping them cyanide, or Anthrax, or Sarin, or radiological waste, or any number of things.

What makes it NOT COMMERCE, is the fact that they are dangerous substances banned by law.

184 posted on 01/23/2015 1:18:05 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: varyouga
The only way to reduce abuse and addiction is an overall spiritual and educational improvement in our society so few people feel the need to abuse drugs.

I think that statement has caused me to exceed my daily recommended dose of nonsense. I think i'll go do something else for awhile.

185 posted on 01/23/2015 1:23:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: Monty22002

It kills motivation and intelligence in some people only while impaired, not after. Yes, some people just choose to be impaired constantly.

But those people wouldn’t care anyway. If pot wasn’t available, they’d be drinking booze or popping pills. And if that wasn’t available they’d be sniffing glue and gasoline. Or choking themselves or sniffing dung.

Some people will ALWAYS want to be wrecked NOMATTER WHAT and we don’t need a police state to watch all of us because of those mentally ill people.


186 posted on 01/23/2015 1:24:03 PM PST by varyouga
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To: DiogenesLamp
It evolved to mimic mammalian endocrinal secretions because this is the method plants have always used to produce toxins to mitigate predation.

I suspect if humans ate an entire marijuana plant (as might a herbivore) they would probably walk off a cliff or sit in a pasture until the wolves got them.

Like many Drug Warrior suppositions, this one is wrong: "Along with other psychoactive cannabinoids, THC is a hydrophobic oil, meaning it is insoluble in water but soluble in lipids (oil/fat) and alcohol. Using either one of these to extract THC from cannabis is required to have the cooked product be psychoactive.[1] During preparation the cannabis or its extract must be heated sufficiently or dehydrated to cause decarboxylation of its most abundant cannabinoid, tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA), into psychoactive THC." (emphasis added) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_foods#Ingredients_and_effects

(Not that the effects you describe qualify as "toxic" anyway ...)

187 posted on 01/23/2015 1:27:24 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Look up the “rat park” addiction experiments.

In a cage, rats would consume drugs until they starved.

In a happy, healthy environment, rats would avoid the drugs and addicted rats transferred from the cages would stop using drugs.


188 posted on 01/23/2015 1:27:41 PM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Sigh. There are studies of permanent damage to intellect out there. Ignore them all you want, I’m sure the idea that you’re stupider than before you used isn’t a comforting idea.


189 posted on 01/23/2015 1:29:04 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: central_va

“Police may soon be armed with marijuana breath test” - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3236617/posts


190 posted on 01/23/2015 1:33:01 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Monty22002

show me ONE before-after study showing permanent damage to intellect or IQ in ANY adult that has used pot for any period. There are countless people who have used pot for decades and they can’t prove any before-after drop in IQ. People have been using it heavily for at least 50 years in the USA and we have no proof.

Alcohol abuse causes real permanent brain damage yet is sold in unlimited amounts.


191 posted on 01/23/2015 1:41:33 PM PST by varyouga
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To: DiogenesLamp

You don’t need a drug dealer for marijuana, you can grow in your backyard.


192 posted on 01/23/2015 2:07:45 PM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Did I harm the black person. Did they starve. Did they have no other options for food?

None of the government’s business.

If I killed the black person, if I killed any person regardless of “protected” status, then I have caused harm and suffer the consequences of that harm.

Not serving them in my restaurant. None of the government’s business.

Not making a cake for gay person’s wedding - none of the government’s business.


193 posted on 01/23/2015 2:23:42 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: central_va

So, because the government says it is ok, you cannot enforce a tighter morality? Seriously? Are you kidding me?

Let me see. The government says abortion is ok. So are you telling me you can not say abortion is wrong in your household?

Please.

I don’t need the government to set my moral limits. That is between me and God and my family. I only have to submit to just government laws.

If the government outlaws teaching and discussing God, my household will be criminals.


194 posted on 01/23/2015 2:33:22 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: DiogenesLamp

If you really want to bring crime into marketplace the first thing you do is make a desirable product illegal. Look what happened with Prohibition: they made alcohol illegal and set off a wave of organized crime across this country which we haven’t yet recovered from.


195 posted on 01/23/2015 3:02:35 PM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: DiogenesLamp
>> The huge hideous elephant-gorilla hybrid which is an offense against nature, man, and God than no-one seems to want to acknowledge (much less address), is that the War on Drugs, the very foundation of the Federal government to prohibit drugs, is based on usurped powers and the mere color of authority.
>
> No, it's based on real, and constitutionally legitimate authority. Drugs represent an attack on our populace, and the National government has always been empowered to respond to deadly attacks through the Defense clause.

Nope — if it was within the Constitutionally delegated powers then we never would have needed an 18th Amendment.

196 posted on 01/23/2015 3:44:40 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bttt


197 posted on 01/23/2015 3:49:52 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: ican'tbelieveit
The government says abortion is ok.

I wish it wouldn't. That's the point.

198 posted on 01/23/2015 5:10:42 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: varyouga

http://gawker.com/5938430/regular-use-of-marijuana-in-adolescence-can-cause-permanent-irreversible-iq-loss

Google’s pretty easy isn’t it. That’s just the starter, as more studies will show the common sense notion that it damages the brain whenever used, for good.


199 posted on 01/23/2015 6:23:28 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: DiogenesLamp
Drugs represent an attack on our populace, and the National government has always been empowered to respond to deadly attacks through the Defense clause.

I've never heard of even a single case of a drug "attacking" someone.

(Think: "Guns don't kill people; people kill people.)

To be honest, what you should have said is:

"Returning to the people the right to consume those drugs (cocaine, marijuana) which were perfectly legal for most of this nation's history represents an attack on our populace."

That is what you really believe, and that is what you should have said.

Regards,

200 posted on 01/24/2015 12:17:14 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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