Posted on 01/17/2015 2:31:16 PM PST by BigReb555
During Robert E. Lee's 100th birthday in 1907, Charles Francis Adams, Jr., a former Union Commander and grandson of US President John Quincy Adams, spoke in tribute to Robert E. Lee at Washington and Lee College's Lee Chapel in Lexington, Virginia. His speech was printed in both Northern and Southern newspapers and is said to had lifted Lee to a renewed respect among the American people.
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Got that CCW yet? LOL
What’s a “looser”
Anyway, debating is not the point. Ripping Robert E. Lee is no better than ripping Patton or Washington and deserves immediate retribution.
"Debating" some of these Neo-Union trolls reminds me of debating Private Spivey from Dances With Wolves.
Spivey sez: "Might makes Right! Talk to Sarge here if'n yew don't like it!"
Not ripping, just stating a fact is all. Secondly, sometimes I’ll either misspell a word or use a bit of incorrect grammar just give some people here a reason to feel adequate and have the need to correct posts.
We're just fortunate that these neo-Spiveys don't have access to Robert E. Lee's original personal journals. They wouldn't be able to read or understand the journals, but they'd find a use for them, off in the weeds.
And they'd be proud of it...
Great one!
And it amazes me that some creepers are still defending a southern slaveocracy that took up arms against the United States, then still complain about the fact that they got their asses handed to them.
You have weird kinks.
The US population was considerably more than the population of Japan in 1941. What's your point, that the US should only fight wars with countries of equivalent population, whatever the provocation?
You cannot divorce slavery from the war although it was just a side issue at best although Lincoln did a good job "playing the slavery card."
Sheesh. Do you really need to see all the southern declarations that the cause of secession was all about the protection of slavery? I can produce dozens. Here's what Mississippi had to say:
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
I think the point is that the Civil War is the crux where it is mainly a battle between the powers of the individual States vs. the leviathan of the Federal Government. If the Confederacy had won, would they adopt their own big federal system, who knows, but I think that and trade were the main issues of the disagreement.
If only there were as many southern declarations about tariff policy as there are about slavery.
If I may play Devil’s Advocate, one could say the same thing about the American Revolution, the Founding Fathers were seen as terrorists and traitors rising up against the legitimate government of the British Parlement and King George III. It’s basically the differing views from both sides that causes the conflicts, I see the Civil War as one and World War I as the other. Just something to think about.
I’m just pointing out demographics, not making a point if the war was right or wrong. I know slavery was a part of the conflict but not the only one, there were many other issues. It is just a shame that the PC crowd, the education system and so on has hammered the slavery issue so much that even many Freepers buy into the brainwashing where critical thinking is shut down.
Okay, then it should be easy for you to find some statements from southern political leaders citing those other issues as the cause for their actions.
It seems that most of the Lost Cause insistence that there were lots of issues and slavery only a minor irritant is simply excuse-making. The fact that slavery and the threat that Lincoln's election posed to it was far and away the most cited cause for southern actions is embarrassing, hence a need to put the causes elsewhere. The problem is that the contemporary documents and statements simply don't support such an argument.
Here's Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the confederacy:
"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.
It is just a shame that the PC crowd, the education system and so on has hammered the slavery issue so much that even many Freepers buy into the brainwashing where critical thinking is shut down.
Then I invite you to read the original documents for yourself.
The usual Lost Cause position on FR is that such a proposal is evidence of the worst kind of racism, but maybe that's only when Lincoln proposes it.
Well we like the yankee touristas because they come, spend money and then thankfully leave. Its the ones that come down, stay then start voting to try to turn GA into the same Northern chithole they left behind that put a burr under our blanket. :-)
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Dude, I'm not the one whose breath smells like boot leather. You? Yes, that would be you.
As I wrote earlier: "Everyone knows you have a "fondness" for certain leather "accouterments" of the Almighty State."
Your worship of The Gear Queers is a "fondness", and your love of their Gear covers the certain leather "accouterments" of the Almighty State angle. LOL! :)
It’s tough discussing these things with Bubba Spivey, because his mind is focused on making it out to the weeds to wipe his brains on Lee’s personal journals. LOL! :)
Wow. I post an article five years ago about a cop dying heroically and that’s evidence that I’m a fan of the police state, the federal leviathan and kinky sex practices that you appear to dwell on.
Stephens is vilified in this but compare it to Lincoln's speech of the 1850's. Are they not much the same?
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