Posted on 12/30/2014 11:33:46 PM PST by barmag25
SURABAYA, Indonesia/JAKARTA (Reuters) - A body recovered on Wednesday from the crashed AirAsia plane was wearing a life jacket, an official with Indonesia's search and rescue agency said, raising questions about how the disaster unfolded.
Rescuers believe they have found the plane on the ocean floor off Borneo, after sonar detected a large, dark object beneath waters near where debris and bodies were found on the surface.
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I’ve seen reports Indonesia also denies this life jacket story. They are not good with getting info out.
It’s not common to have some sort of catastrophic failure of the fuselage without an outside cause, such as colliding with another aircraft, being struck by a missile or a bomb exploding in the aircraft.
Isn’t the Airbus model fuselage composed of a fiberglass type material for lighter weight? The plane that also went down in severe turbulence from Brazil to France was also an Airbus. Are Boeing built planes superior in handling severe turbulence vs Airbus?
Since most of the bodies seemed to be in the same place, pretty sure it didn’t break up at 35,000.
The black boxes if found will yield a lot of clues.
Yes, that was my thought, as well. A nearly intact (well, a good portion of the aircraft appears to be in one piece, anyway) and a body wearing a life vest does suggest an attempted ditching, and I think icing could have created the emergency.
I guess I’ve seen too much Hollywood to think of that, James Bond never lost his tux while free falling without a parachute.
Either way it gave me hope at the time that the pilot was able to keep it somewhat level when they went in.
Clothes will be ripped off like you said.
“how much experience with ice would he have had flying in the tropics??”
At 30K+ feet the outside air temperature is well near or below freezing even if you’re flying over the tropics.
Questions and answers:
Q: Isn’t the Airbus model fuselage composed of a fiberglass type material for lighter weight? A: The Airbus A320 has a metal (aluminum alloy) fuselage.
Q: Are Boeing built planes superior in handling severe turbulence vs Airbus? A: That is a question asking for an opinion, not a fact. I think that it is a fact that both Boeing aircraft and Airbus aircraft have been lost - or nearly lost - as an indirect result of severe turbulence, especially when it occurs during instrument flight conditions. What can be said with a good degree of confidence is that turbulence alone is an unlikely culprit; there is ordinarily some other factor involved, such as engine malfunction, instrumentation malfunction, vertigo leading to pilot error, failure of a key mechanical or electrical part, etc., leading to a cascade of problems ending in catastrophe.
3 degrees per thousand feet is the general rule of thumb. Not quite straight line, but decent approximation. Likely 65 below above 30000 as a general rule. Thunderstorms thrive in an unstable lapse rate so this specific situation would be different. But well below freezing.
extreme trauma can result in clothes off. I read a book once about plane crashes and I seem to remember that most of the bodies were almost naked.
Yes.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/30/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/index.html
There was conflicting information about whether any parts of the plane had been located underwater.
One search official told CNN that he believes sonar equipment has detected wreckage from the plane at the bottom of the sea.
“I think that that’s the case,” said Muhammad Hernanto, the head of search and rescue for the city of Surabaya, where Flight 8501 began its journey on Sunday. He was dialing back earlier comments he made to CNN in which he said the sonar equipment had located wreckage from the plane.
Indonesia’s national search and rescue chief said the body of the aircraft hasn’t yet been discovered.
“Until now, we haven’t found the plane,” Bambang Soelistyo said, according to Indonesia’s national news agency Antara. “We’ve only found seven bodies to this day.”
Quoting The Guardian:
Tatang Zaenudin, an official with Indonesia’s search and rescue agency, Basarnas, said
one of the bodies was wearing a life jacket, but the agency later said the corpse was
found near a life jacket but was not wearing one. Basarnas has not explained the discrepancy
With it being so easy to track a cell phone you’d think that they use that technology on aircraft these days!
i saw that picture to and wondered, “why the hell is the guy wearing just his underwear?’....they said last night one theory on finding as many people as they did almost stripped naked was the plane broke apart in midair...
on a side note, i’m surprised they found any people in tact...if you’ve ever read any US military history from the Pacific in WWII they constantly talk about the shark infested waters in that area including the java sea and how soldiers stranded in the water were more afraid of sharks than drowning...
yesterday when i first heard bodies had been recovered, it was 60 bodies. mid day news = 40 bodies.
this morning = 6 bodies.
breaking news is atrocious.
i was wondering about the sharks yesterday... was this an area with heavy shark populations.
It depends on how far from shore the flight goes. US rules have different standards for water temperature and 50/100/161 miles from shore. Only those flights within 50 miles have exemptions from vests.
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