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Targeting "Assault Weapons" Again
Townhall ^ | 18 dec 2014 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 12/18/2014 5:34:24 AM PST by rellimpank

The 1994 federal law banning "assault weapons" was a high point of the gun control movement and Bill Clinton's presidency. Signing the bill, he said it was the beginning of "our effort to restore safety and security to the people of this country." But something happened that he and his allies had not predicted: nothing.

Duke University scholars Philip Cook and Kristin Goss, who are sympathetic to gun control efforts, assessed the ban in a book published this year and concluded, "There is no compelling evidence that it saved lives." A 2004 study led by Christopher Koper of the University of Pennsylvania agreed: "We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence."

Homicides did decline after it became law -- but they fell as well in the years after its 2004 expiration. From the standpoint of the safety and security of the American people, the prohibition was a non-event.

But gun control advocates, with a heroic disregard for real-world evidence, have never given up trying to get rid of these arms. The latest effort is a lawsuit filed by families of students and employees killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., two years ago.

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1 posted on 12/18/2014 5:34:24 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

It’s not about truth, it’s about the narrative.


2 posted on 12/18/2014 5:36:55 AM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: rellimpank
The latest effort is a lawsuit filed by families of students and employees killed crisis actors at Sandy Hook Elementary School

There, fixed.

3 posted on 12/18/2014 5:37:42 AM PST by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: rellimpank

Libinlaw - you don’t need those kind of guns.
Me - what kind of guns are you talking about?
Libinlaw - you know, semi-automatic.
Me - What, in your understanding, is a “semi-automatic”? How does it work?
Libinlaw - [pause, knowing a BS answer wouldn’t work] - I don’t know.

Me - [enligntened him on what a semi-auto is, what select fire is, and the laws regarding each]
Libinlaw - [opinion remained unchanged]


4 posted on 12/18/2014 5:39:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Fido969

It is about neither the “truth” nor the “narrative”. It is about the MONEY!!!
A precedent gets set and the TORT BAR makes their fortune.
Imagine the lawsuits against General Motors, Ford and so on, demanding damages because their autos, in the control of fall down drunks, injured and killed innocent people. Or even the makers of kitchen and cooking knives used to stab a spouse.
A gun-control activist is a liberal who lacks the courage to face the truth of evil gun USAGE, so instead gathers forces to attack those who own guns LEGALLY and SAFELY.
It takes little or no courage to point an indignant finger at a law-abiding citizen, especially when one is sure the ONLY consequence will be a “dirty look” in return.
Just the other day, we saw a slaughter in Australia, that may well have been quickly halted in THIS country. Of course, the “gun grabbers” would have then demanded the jailing of the one who used a gun to save others.


5 posted on 12/18/2014 5:55:19 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (N.Y. TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: rellimpank

Was Clinton able to confiscate all those weapons from the gang-bangers and criminals? I thought not. It is the optics, not the results with Libs. PHONIES ALL!!


6 posted on 12/18/2014 5:55:35 AM PST by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: rellimpank
The lawsuit will go nowhere.

IIRC, isn't their a prohibition against suing manufacturers for the acts of criminals?

7 posted on 12/18/2014 5:56:24 AM PST by farming pharmer
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To: akalinin

The anti gun types have to stay busy doing SOMETHING, even if it is a failure before it even starts. It is their good intentions that matter, not results.

Failure doesn’t matter to libs. That is their strength.


8 posted on 12/18/2014 6:02:07 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: MrB

I found that, rather than trying to educate them, it was much more entertaining to explain to them how it doesn’t matter anyways because, after the last mid-term elections, their chances of passing any kind of gun control are now zero and they will remain that way until long after they are in the ground. Their fail is complete. One of them had to walk out of the room. LOL.


9 posted on 12/18/2014 6:07:02 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

“how it doesn’t matter anyways because, after the last mid-term elections”

Now their weapons are terror, litigation and anarchy.


10 posted on 12/18/2014 6:09:21 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: RC one

You also have to explain to them the reason that the left absolutely NEEDS gun control.

In the future, they intend to force upon the people something SO REPUGNANT that they fear an armed backlash.

Why else would it be that people who support big gov’t control want to remove The People’s means of resistance?


11 posted on 12/18/2014 6:09:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Fido969

It’s about the children.........


12 posted on 12/18/2014 6:10:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: TexasGator

Somehow, inciting people to riot is supposed to make us want to give up our means of defending our lives and property from the rioters?

I know - leftists never make much sense.


13 posted on 12/18/2014 6:11:00 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I can’t think of one good reason to allow a gang of leftist extremists to disarm their political opposition. I can think of millions of reasons not to however.


14 posted on 12/18/2014 6:22:11 AM PST by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: MrB

There will never NOT be a war against weapons of any type in this country until ALL guns are banned. You cannot control a people when they DO HAVE a means to protect or defend themselves.


15 posted on 12/18/2014 6:22:59 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: MrB
Libinlaw - [pause, knowing a BS answer wouldn’t work] - I don’t know.

Leftist in a nut shell. Opinion of someone he considers "smart" regurgitated without question. Doesn't know jack about anything but still absolutely sure he knows what's best for you.

16 posted on 12/18/2014 6:27:53 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: rellimpank

Before the 1994 ban, AR-15’s were kind of a “niche” firearm. Some enthusiasts owned them, but they were a bit uncommon. Now the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America. Thanks gun ban morons!!!

I call it “America’s Rifle” and every American should own at least one and preferably several.


17 posted on 12/18/2014 6:29:09 AM PST by barefoot_hiker
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To: rellimpank
There is no compelling evidence that it saved lives.

Common sense could have (did) predict this and the results of any other similar localized "assault weapon" ban.

Consider first, rifles are used in a shockingly small percentage of firearms related crimes that result in death. There are something like 11K to 12K homicides committed with firearms each year. Less than 400 of those are committed with rifles - all kinds of rifles. That includes grandpa's hunting rifle and brother's target rifle. The actual number of homicides committed with so-called "assault rifles" is even lower.

Therefore, even if (and it is a huge if) an "assault weapons" ban were 100% effective - completely eliminated the use of "assault weapons" to kill people (an unattainable goal, but go with me on this) it would mean a change of something less than 1% in homicides by firearms. Seriously? That's no-doubt well within the usual "jitter" and noise in the signal. In other words it would be statistically meaningless.

Speaking of meaningless though, that brings up the other fundamental problem with "assault weapons" bans. Their entire premise is that if you ban "assault weapons" they won't be used to commit crimes and kill people. Really? Gee, maybe we ought to ban meth, heroine, crack, child abuse, rape, domestic violence, drunk driving... Oh, wait, those things are illegal and yet they continue to occur. Same thing with "assault weapons" bans. Only a deluded lib could believe an "assault weapons" ban would keep them safe from being killed by an "assault weapon." Yeah, just like a "gun free zone" sign keeps criminals with guns out of a store, theater, school...

I have to wonder, if an "assault weapons" ban is provably - using mathematics and common sense - going to be completely in-effective and a waste of time and money at achieving anything like it's stated goal of "making us safer" ... Then why do it? I'm left to conclude that the real goal of an "assault weapons" ban has nothing to do with public safety. There must be other, darker and more sinister motives behind it. I am certain there are only two kinds of people that support various "gun control" measures: the willfully ignorant sheeple who go along with the meme/message from their elite leaders; and the far more evil "leaders" that orchestrate these efforts because they need a disarmed populace that will be easier to control and enforce tyranny upon. They know they can't get there all at once, but they're willing to keep trying any little step they can get away with that gets them closer to their fascist dreams of power and control.

18 posted on 12/18/2014 6:29:11 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Exactly! Arm every teacher and train them well.

The numbers dont add up. Correct me if I am wrong off the top of my head approx 3600 die from gun related a year.

Cars and drunks in the hundred thousand a year, right?

Yet we watch add after add at night of beer commercials, grey goose anyone? those adds did not exist when I was a kid.


19 posted on 12/18/2014 6:32:32 AM PST by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: MrB
"In the future, they intend to force upon the people something SO REPUGNANT that they fear an armed backlash"

I think its more that the govt. knows that a complete financial collapse is inevitable and sooner rather than later. They would like people not be armed when that happens.

20 posted on 12/18/2014 6:33:12 AM PST by circlecity
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