[dfwgator]

Surely the Senate wouldn’t lie now would they?

[Hotlanta Mike]

Feinstein’s Duplicity: 68 Congressional Members Briefed On Enhanced Interrogation From 2001-2007

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2014/12/feinsteins-duplicity-68-people-in.html

[Dr. Thorne]

The Business Insider takes the word of the Democrats at face value. Anyone who believes anything from TBI is a fool or a progressive, but I repeat myself.

[Jim Noble]

And, of course, now that we have Zawahiri’s courier, we can’t very well send HIM to Site Cobalt and waterboard HIM, now, can we?

[TexasCajun]

It's telling ole Ken here doesn't call out DiFi for producing a report of lies & deception.

A Rolling-Stone rape-type report where no CIA personnel were interviewed.

[KC_Conspirator]

The report is one big lie, much like the fabled Dellums report. Thus this reporter is repeating the lie.

[marron]

Lost in all this is the obvious fact that you cannot trust these people (Democrats) with any national security information. During the actual war, with our people under fire, we had people on the intelligence committees leaking information to the New York Times on almost a daily basis. We're tracking Bin Ladin's cell phones, suddenly that dries up. We're tracking their money flows, suddenly they change tactics. We have "secret" flights moving prisoners about, suddenly they have airport watchers blogging the flight numbers and their comings and goings. Location of "black sites", on page one and suddenly pressure on the host government to shut them down.

There wasn't anything, there wasn't any piece of information too important that they wouldn't call over to their buddies at the Times and next day it pops up on page one.

I have said for years that this is how espionage is done in the modern era. You don't have to sneak documents under the table and risk prison. You just leak the very same documents to the Times, so your handler can read them with his morning coffee. Or you mount a phony investigation and stick it out there in the public record.

So they just spent 5 years exposing the nuts and bolts of our intel operations and then expose it. How exactly is that different from what a mole would do?

But running guns to the cartel, creating and arming ISIS, that we can't get them interested in.

[Zhang Fei]

This was the Democratic Senate report. What I don’t get is why GOP senators aren’t releasing their version.

[Wuli]

The one-party report of the Senate Democrats lied about what the CIA did and did not do, as well as lying about what affect the actions of the CIA had on our gathering of intelligence. They already had their conclusions before they wrote the report and those they selected to “testify” to them were selected for their defense of the Democrats predetermined conclusions. Those who had a different opinion leading to different conclusions would not called to testify before the Democrats.

[mellow velo]

Will Feinstein take back her praise of the Obama Administration? Will Obama apologize for his victory laps following the announcement that Bin Laden was dead?

LA Slimes (May 01, 2011) - Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate intelligence committee: "Bin Laden is responsible for the attacks of 9/11 and has been the head of al-Qa'ida and inspirational leader of extremism for more than a decade. His death presents an opportunity for a new and better day if the will is there. I truly hope this will be a turning point in our efforts to defeat global terrorism. ... I was notified on Sunday of the strike and have been briefed in the past about intelligence on bin Laden's whereabouts. It has been a very impressive CIA operation and they deserve praise."

[LonePalm]

I do not think our country will benefit from more than a cursory explanation of the sources and methods used in finding and killing OBL (piss be upon him).

Unfortunately, we are likely to need these sources and methods again. Far better our real and potential enemies were kept in the dark about some of our capabilities.

Case in point, the first Gulf War. Senior Soviet officers of the time were shocked at both the effectiveness of our weapons and speed with which the US took apart the 4^th largest army in the world. Sometimes quantity DOESN'T have a quality all its own.

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[PoloSec]

I would suppose that lies are the foundation of an institution such as the CIA, eventually, inevitably the whole structure will collapse as a result.

[CodeToad]

Delta had OBL in their sights multiple times and were told not to take the shot. I have no doubt we knew where OBL was at all times.

[SoFloFreeper]

...the CIA's story...is just not true, the Senate report on CIA interrogations concludes...

I trust the Demon Rats in the Senate not one bit.

[KeyLargo]

And the media ignores the biggest CIA operation under Democrat President Lyndon Johnson.

Phoenix was a program headed by the CIA, in conjunction with US Special Forces and Australian and South Vietnamese commandos, during the Vietnam War. Its purpose was simple: assassination. And although this was a military unit, their targets weren’t military, but civilian.

From 1965 to 1972, Phoenix was involved in the kidnapping, torture, and murder of thousands upon thousands of citizens. People deemed critical to the infrastructure of the Viet Cong, or thought to have knowledge of VC activities, were rounded up and taken to regional interrogation centers, were they were subjected to: “rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock . . . rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the ‘water treatment’; the ‘airplane’ in which the prisoner’s arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners…”

http://listverse.com/2013/05/25/10-dirty-secret-cia-operations/

[magellan]

Who to believe?

Intelligence is like a jigsaw puzzle. You need a large number of pieces to start to see the picture, but even the smallest piece may be the key.

It is very likely intelligence gathered from both standard and enhanced interrogation was required to get enough pieces to figure out the Where is Bin Laden puzzle.

We know Abu Zubaydah and KSM gave up nothing under standard interrogation. We know they gave up significant information under enhanced interrogation. But was the information new and relevant, or irrelevant or duplicative?

A reasonable person would assume such high level people would have useful information that others would not have. But reasonable people are hard to find nowadays.