Posted on 12/09/2014 6:50:59 AM PST by Zhang Fei
Washington (CNN) -- The New York officer involved in the death of Eric Garner should no longer be on the police force, Sen. Rand Paul argued Monday.
The Kentucky Republican said Daniel Pantaleo lacked "discretion" when he placed Garner in a chokehold for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes.
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“Pantaleo used a wrestling move to bring down Garner.
As I recall the use of nightsticks, saps and flashlights were deemed to be too dangerous to those who needed to be subdubed by police and these other methods were taught to replace them as being more safe and humane. The use of force will never be 100% safe but should never be discarded as there are always those who will push to limits end.
Not only did the choke hold not cause the death, it wasn’t a choke hold. If it was a choke hold, he would not be able to speak. If someone is saying, “I can’t breath,” guess what, he CAN breath, because if he couldn’t breath he could not speak. This is one of the first things you look at in life guard training. If he can speak they are not in immediate danger, unable to speak, you have a few seconds.
I forgot to mention, PORP.
Because racism. Paul is stepping right to the edge of Al Sharpton's antics but not going over the line in order to avoid alienating his non-black voters.
Ahhh, no. In this case, that would be the cop acting as judge, jury and hangman.
Yes, a police officer taking down a grossly obese, habitual law breaker who resists arrests, is very much like the Nazi SS forcing Jews in a gas chamber.
Thanks for making this clear.
I did not say it was a chokehold death. This officer however has a history that should not be ignored. And more often than not cops are their own worst enemy. I know, I have experienced it.
You are welcome. Glad I could shed some light on it for you. :-)
This is NYC. Anything union members do takes twice the time at twice the hourly wages. Or maybe they were just catching their collective breath from a vigorous session of shooting the breeze.
Oh man, that kind of sound logic would get you banned on any other forum. Thanks to God for FreeRepublic!
Am I the only person who knows that the hold was not a “choke hold”?
No culpability because blacks are inferior and can't be held responsible even when they're in charge?
Help me out here. I want to understand.
The “experts” have shown that it wasn’t a “choke hold”. Rand...facts matter.
Yes, she’s culpable also.
I don’t dislike Rand Paul, and don’t discount him. It’s just that he’s all over the place. It’ll be interesting to see where he lands.
But he’s right in this case.
They don't care. In their minds, cops aren't allowed to use physical force to effect an arrest. There's a lot of BS floating around about there being a bunch of cops going after him. The thing is - they are a bunch of cops, not a single individual. They're not allowed to do the kinds of things that would put the guy down past, such as whaling away at him with nightsticks. In that interval, he could have put any of the cops through a glass window, potentially causing exsanguination (bleeding out) through the severing of an artery or landed on one of the cops in exactly the wrong way, causing head or spinal injuries or worse. This is a 400lb guy. He's as strong as a lot of weightlifters.
She has the most responsibility. She was in charge. She ordered the arrest. She didn't stop it when Saint Chokehold said he couldn't breathe.
Good riddance to the slime
He’s right. If you can speak, your upper airway is open. Hence not being choked.
As an ER physician, and former EMS medical director the FIRST thing I do or tell EMTS to do is try to get the patient to speak. You immediately get a sense of the patients airway, his circulation ( you need blood to perfuse your brain to speak and respond to questions) and the patients mental status ( alert, understands your questions, responds appropriately) etc.
If I have someone in respiratory distress and they are saying very clearly “ I can’t breath” the problem is not their airway. Something else is causing their “air hunger”. All kinds of things involving the cardio pulmonary system can cause that sensation.
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