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Utah to seize its land back from the federal government
Washington Times ^ | 12/4/2014 | Sylvia Van Peebles

Posted on 12/06/2014 7:23:46 AM PST by HomerBohn

The federal government has 31.2 million acres of Utah's land, and Utah wants it back.

According to the Washington Times on Wednesday, in three weeks, Utah plans to seize control of its own land now under the control of the federal government. Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, in an unprecedented challenge to federal dominance of Western state lands, in 2012 signed the “Transfer of Public Lands Act,” which demands that Washington relinquish its hold on the land. The land being held represents more than half of the state’s 54.3 million acres, by Dec. 31.

State Rep. Ken Ivory, who sponsored the legislation, isn't deterred even though the federal government hasn't given any indication that it plans to cooperate. “That’s what you do any time you’re negotiating with a partner. You set a date,” said Ivory. “Unfortunately, our federal partner has decided they don’t want to negotiate in good faith. So we’ll move forward with the four-step plan that the governor laid out.” That plan involves a program of education, negotiation, legislation and litigation. “We’re going to move forward and use all the resources at our disposal,” stated Ivory, who also heads the American Lands Council, which advocates the relinquishing of federal lands to the control of the states.

One might ask why Utah wants it's land back now. Well, it seems there’s hydrocarbons in those hills. The Salt Lake Tribune reported on Tuesday that an analysis from three state universities states that Utah can afford to take over more than half the state from the federal government, and may even be able to make more money on it than the feds have. It should be noted that the transfer would require either an act of Congress or a successful lawsuit.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: alc; federallandgrab; socialistgovernemtn; utah
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To: Postman

SJC...I meant SC Judge (supreme court). Typing fast, sorry.


181 posted on 12/09/2014 7:00:53 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Thanks for clarifying. I thought there was a new level of “judging” that the POSIC established with his pen and phone.


182 posted on 12/10/2014 7:22:12 AM PST by Postman (Flies on 0re0 know --it when they see it!)
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To: HomerBohn
Utah to seize its land back from the federal government

Good luck!

What will it use for BALLS?

They were removed when Utah wanted to be a STATE!

 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


183 posted on 12/10/2014 1:04:29 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
What part of “forever” does the state legislature not understand?

The 'FOREVER Family' part...

184 posted on 12/10/2014 1:05:09 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

Blind squirrels do not starve


185 posted on 12/10/2014 1:09:35 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Regulator; Utah Binger
That was when they hung Redford in effigy in Kanab.

Ubie; you've got feet on the ground.

Any input here?

186 posted on 12/10/2014 1:11:28 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HomerBohn

Watch out for the hooks!


187 posted on 12/10/2014 1:13:32 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Regulator
...but you had to have reptile genes to make that work.



188 posted on 12/10/2014 1:17:00 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Regulator

Back in the late 80’s, the entire town of Cisco was up for sale at around 65K or so!


189 posted on 12/10/2014 1:18:08 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan

There was an abortive attempt to remove his cattle from land he didn’t own.

http://www.factandmyth.com/conspiracy-theory/cliven-bundys-cattle-and-the-federal-land-grab


190 posted on 12/10/2014 1:20:44 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah, like that guy!

Now we’re controversial...


191 posted on 12/10/2014 1:21:00 PM PST by Regulator
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To: GraceG

Virginia effectively took a bite out of the SW side of the diamond.


192 posted on 12/10/2014 1:22:47 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan
the L&C expedition

This has a nice ring to it!

193 posted on 12/10/2014 1:24:30 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert
For a fantastically beautiful drive over several days, visit the Grand Staircase Escalante and the adjacent National Parks.

For an orifice tightening exercise, descend Pucker Pass in Long Canyon in Island in the Sky in a ratty old 1 ton Chevy van!

194 posted on 12/10/2014 1:26:46 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Monorprise
Give the Indians back their Reservation lands.

Which ones?

The originals; or the constantly shrinking ones they have now?

195 posted on 12/10/2014 1:27:48 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Monorprise
As for Indian lands, Indian are fully capable of owning and managing their own lands in legal title as they already do in practice.

Heck yes!

Why should Washington be the one screwing them when their own 'leaders' can do it closer to home!

196 posted on 12/10/2014 1:29:06 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
been there done that.....

For a real pucker....... try the Mokee dugway

For what its worth, this place represents my view of the American economy. We fell off the mesa and the flat below goes on and on and on.


197 posted on 12/10/2014 1:42:00 PM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: bert

I’ve driven that! It was blowing about 50 mph that day... Monument Valley was nearly invisible from the dust in the air


198 posted on 12/10/2014 1:50:35 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: Elsie

http://protophoto.com/subject.html?subject_id=435link


199 posted on 12/10/2014 1:51:50 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert
try the Mokee dugway

Quite a few times.

Looking over the side at the wrecks below will make you wonder how good YOUR brakes are!!

200 posted on 12/10/2014 1:53:18 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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