However, the video here shows actions out of line with the NYPD's own rules and went overboard.
I'm also puzzled why FR members who constantly worry about the police state, militarization of cops, etc etc go out of their way to defend EVERY ACTION by any police officer.
Really perplexed how the grand jury failed to come up with even at least the least of charges. Based on video (IMO), excessive force was applied
Most angering is the MSM and slimy liberals trying to tie this DW's case. Apples and oranges.
they should have just written him a ticket.
I don’t regularly defend LEO actions - quite the contrary in fact. I support the LE position in Ferguson, but this case here seems to me to be stretched.
When it all boils down, this man resisted arrest for selling cigarettes and he ended up dying. When he said he couldn’t breathe, the officer should have loosened his hold. All I can say is NYCPD must have a very powerful union. Regardless of whether he is charged, NYC will end up paying a big time settlement in civil court on this.
At the very least the cops involved need to find a different day job, hopefully having to do nothing with police work.
If the victim was one of our own, a family member or a friend, we would be more sympathetic- whether he was obese or not.
Funny how this guy was able to sneak onto Staten Island every day and secretly listen to the testimony in the grand jury room. But he must have since he KNOWS that the no bill was a mistake. How could Garner say “I can’t breath” if he was in a choke hold?
Just another case of unnecessary escalation. Why didn’t they just give the guy a ticket? Mail it to him. It’s ridiculous.
Hey Kraut, why don’t you stick to psychology, baseball and why Romney is the best thing since sliced bread.
The Grand Jury looked at all of the evidence and the cops did what they were trained to do. I agree with Barkley.
Pray America is waking
My thoughts exactly. Freepers get more upset over cops killing dogs (which I do, too) than killing Eric Garner for allegedly selling loose cigarettes. I have lived in places where it is common to walk into a convenient store and see single cigarettes in a basket on the counter for sale. I never thought it was a big deal - certainly nothing worthy of dying for.
My thoughts exactly. Freepers get more upset over cops killing dogs (which I do, too) than killing Eric Garner for allegedly selling loose cigarettes. I have lived in places where it is common to walk into a convenient store and see single cigarettes in a basket on the counter for sale. I never thought it was a big deal - certainly nothing worthy of dying for.
IMO the family of *this* guy has more justification in pointing a finger at others than do the families of the "Gentle Giant" or Saint Trayvon.
Agreed, this is a clear cut case of Police Abusing their power, and the fact that this cop did not get indicted for anything exposes completely a failing in the criminal justice system.
The race hustlers and poverty pimps trying to turn Furgeson into something it wasn’t, now has people idiotically knee jerking to defend any cops action... and in this case there is no defense whatsoever that this cop faces no charges, other than corruption.
The people trying to defend the cop in this particular case, are just flat out morons.
I’m 160 lbs. I’ve never tried to take down a guy who weighs 350-400 lbs. I’m guessing it is not as easy at Charles Krauthammer thinks.
It sounds to me like the guy had a heart attack while being arrested. Maybe he shouldn’t have resisted the arrest.
I don’t defend every action by cops. But once a cop says, “You are under arrest”, you fight them IN COURT, not on the street.
What I can’t understand is why they needed so many cops there, waste of resources. Just taser the guy if he resists arrest.
Reminds be of seeing the 2-3 patrol cars in the highway shooting radar at people - I’d rather have cops focused on crimes against property and people.
I don’t defend every action of police by a long shot. What I do want people to tell me is what action is acceptable to take down a very large uncooperative suspect? I want to know if people think police have the right of self defense? Do people think anyone has a right to self-defense any more? Most act like no one has a right to self defense and LEOs really don’t.
I can agree that the man had only committed a small crime (that we know of) and it didn’t seem worthy of the reaction. The LEO physical reaction was not to the petty crime of selling cigarettes though- the reaction of LEO was to his actions when they attempted to question/detain him. When someone resists LEO whatever they are accused of; they are continuing to commit crimes if they are uncooperative. Resisting arrest, assaulting an officer, etc. and the person has escalated to felonies in resisting.
We the people have to decide what we expect of our police, do we want them to just allow people to walk away, refuse to cooperate. That would undermine their authority pretty fast. Do we want them to ignore crimes committed by certain groups? It is coming to that already- LEO do cut slack to illegals daily for any number of crimes, and blacks as well due to political correctness- fear of racism charges.
We the people have put our police in an impossible situation, in my opinion that is the reason many of the officers of today don’t seem to be the quality of people we want. It is like a puppy chasing its tail, do we need to change police procedure to attract better officers? Likely that would go further to solve the problem than other solutions but in our PC, liberal guided world it would be pretty difficult to make the necessary changes.
We have people who seem to think it is ok to be a criminal, and criminals should not be in danger from police due to their chosen profession. The quality of LEO needs to change, procedures need to change and then people need to allow them to do their job. Many have the “criminal is always right” attitude, some have the “LEO is always right” attitude, when neither is true.
Holder does not care about race relations, holder and Obama are all about federalizing local police out of the hands of local citizens. No more elected sherrif. The race relations issue is ONLY about party power preservation.
BTW, notice how only ONE video is being played over and over. Where are all the other videos the grand jury observed?
My sympathies go out to the Garner family. Mr. Garner should not have died. It bothers me that the officers showed a total disregard for Mr. Garner once he was on the ground. One woulda thunk that one of the mensa candidates that took Mr. Garner down could have possibly understood that Mr. Garner’s girth might possibly be an issue with him on the ground the way he was. DeBlasio should fire each and every one of the numbnuts who participated in that arrest...
His family will have a strong civil suite, they will be millionares.
Agree. Once I connected the GJ verdict with the actual case, I was shocked. This was pretty clear cut abuse of power and police brutality. The timing couldn’t be worse.
Where before, the Brown family had no legitimate leg to stand on, now they do. Period.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot on NYC. At least they can’t make it a conservative conspiracy. The NYC is back to being a complete liberal cesspool again.
One thing I noticed is that DiBlasio is skating on this, if Rudy was still mayor, the coverage would have been all about him.