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Grand Jury Declines to Indict NYPD Officer in Eric Garner Chokehold Death: Sources
www.nbcnewyork.com ^ | Dec 3, 2014 • Updated at 2:28 PM EST | Andrew Siff and Jonathan Dienst

Posted on 12/03/2014 11:28:41 AM PST by dead

A New York City grand jury has declined to indict an NYPD officer in the chokehold case of Eric Garner, the unarmed man who died while being arrested on Staten Island earlier this year.

In opting not to indict, the panel determined there was not probable cause that a crime was committed by NYPD officer Daniel Pantaleo, who was seen on a widely watched amateur video showing him wrapping his arm around Garner's neck as Garner yelled, "I can't breathe!" during the summer altercation.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: andrewcuomo; billdeblasio; chirlanemccray; chokehold; danielpantaleo; ericgarner; garner; newyork; newyorkcity; nyc; nypd; pantaleo; riot; statenisland
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To: dforest

With the public not seeing the information that the Grand Juries see, it’s a situation where the system requires the public to trust. But it’s hard for people to trust each other right now, because there are so many people who politicize their reasoning.

I don’t know how we get out of the cycle of distrust. Maybe it’s a necessity for accountability, but we seem to be stuck.,


181 posted on 12/03/2014 2:18:17 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Then don’t resist arrest. When a cop wants to arrest he will go through great lengths to do it.


182 posted on 12/03/2014 2:19:01 PM PST by Mozilla (He h)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

As a retired LEO I say the video is damning. You can hear Garner saying, “I can’t breathe”. At that point he was subdued and should have been cuffed and allowed to sit up. Not like he wasn’t surrounded by four officers. Unless there is something else I’m not sure about the Grand Jury’s decision.


183 posted on 12/03/2014 2:22:18 PM PST by animal172 (Calling Thomas Jefferson)
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To: butterdezillion
With the public not seeing the information that the Grand Juries see

One of the most critical parts of evidence in this case is this video...Anyone can watch it.

184 posted on 12/03/2014 2:25:20 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Just heard a clip of Barry chiming in. The MSM and Sharptons and Barry stirring the pot.


185 posted on 12/03/2014 2:28:20 PM PST by machogirl
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To: Eagles6
Yes and no. A headlock can be a chokehold and vice versa. I have argued before that the hold did not kill him, but the same hold can be held on longer to kill.

At various points during the struggle the restraint transitioned between a choke and a hold.

186 posted on 12/03/2014 2:31:17 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: dead


LOOT ALL THE NEW YORKZ!!!!1!
187 posted on 12/03/2014 2:32:44 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: dead
Unintended consequence of big liberal metro areas raising taxes sky high on cigarettes to the point that it's actually profitable for unlicensed street vendors selling black market cigarettes by the pack out of their pockets.

The police are obligated to enforce the tobacco tax law, and when they encounter resistance from the street urchins who aren't collecting tax revenue for the city/state, they have to use force to get them to comply.

No matter how you look at this, a man is dead because he got choked to death by an NYPD cop seeking to prevent him from selling untaxed cigarettes up to and including the use of deadly force.

I have no sympathy for New York City and their draconian law enforcement. I choose to remain safely here in Nevada, thousands of miles away from that kind of fellow Americans.

This is hardly different than a New Jersey SWAT team killing a man they considered 'armed and dangerous' because he possessed illegal 'hollow-point dum dum bullets' of 'high capacity magazines' which are illegal in New Jersey and very few other places in America.

Though a tragedy, this is an occasion to sit back and watch the do-gooder liberals to stew in their own juices. If it ends up costing NYC more money in damages than they'd ever have collected in cigarette taxes, it would be ironic if we cannot call it 'justice'.

188 posted on 12/03/2014 2:36:08 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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Here we go, the mayor of New York speaking about his Son and the fear of his son being “Black” and “safe”.


189 posted on 12/03/2014 2:37:00 PM PST by machogirl
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To: Red Badger

What’s interesting is it’s a city run 100% by liberals, FAR left liberals to the point where the Mayor is a hardcore blatant commie. So it will be interesting to see how liberals deal with this being that there are no Republicans around to blame lol lol lol Come on you libs, incite the riot! Talk about how RAYSIST New York city is!


190 posted on 12/03/2014 2:40:05 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Not all Muslims are terrorists but all Muslims are potential terrorists.)
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To: dragnet2

What I see is the cops using excessive force over very little resisting arrest. The bits and pieces of the coroner’s report are all over the place. Either way, imo it seems the cops’ over reaction contributed more to his death than his physical health or jerking his arm in resistance. Seeing the entire autopsy would make it clearer.

That said, there shouldn’t be any question who was at fault with St. Skittles and St. Michael.


191 posted on 12/03/2014 2:40:24 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: ilovesarah2012
Selling untaxed cigarettes should not get you the death penalty.

No it shouldn't. But he wasn't given the death penalty, and he didn't die for selling untaxed cigarettes. He died as a victim of circumstance when he resisted attempts by officers to perform a legal arrest. What you're saying is tantamount to the opinion of some Mike Brown supporters who say that the Gentle Giant was murdered for walking down the middle of the street.

If you happen to think a law is stupid, unjust, or unfairly applied, the time to fight it is not when the authorities are in the process of arresting you.

192 posted on 12/03/2014 2:44:28 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: dragnet2

What appears on the outside may not be what killed him on the inside though. If the accusation is that the hold killed the guy, then the forensics should show HOW it killed him.

That’s not to say that the use of the hold in the first place is lawful; that’s another issue. But if the charge being considered is murder/manslaughter, then there should be some evidence that the hold did something that actually led to the death of the person.

Of course, if the autopsy concluded that it was homicide - death caused by the actions of another person - then apparently the coroner believed that there was evidence that the cop’s actions contributed to this man’s death. If we were on the Grand Jury we would have seen that evidence. As it is, we don’t know. If the evidence is released then we can evaluate whether the failure to indict was appropriate.

What stands out to me is that we don’t trust anybody. Which is a reasonable response to the corruption around us, but it makes it difficult for things to function. What the politicians should see is that where there is no means of accountability we will always have corruption and that breeds distrust. This is the bed that the politicians made when they let all the corruption go unchecked. That’s not to say that the rioters are justified - absolutely not. But when the means for lawful rule and accountability are lost, it’s like a pressure cooker with the heat turned up and no pressure release valve; they are playing with fire and when they see the condition of the society right now they should be realizing what they, in part, have wrought.1


193 posted on 12/03/2014 2:45:02 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: FreeReign

Take a look at the video. choke is not a medical term


194 posted on 12/03/2014 2:46:25 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Moonman62
Garner was very obese, and had asthma. He physically resisted arrest. There was no damage to his trachea or the bones in his neck, and was conscious after he was taken down, so I don’t think the officer caused his death.

And his neck was huge. You couldn't have choked him with a garrote, much less your hands or arms.

195 posted on 12/03/2014 2:47:36 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Fuzz

Did you see the video? Strangulation is not a medical term. What words did the autopsy really use?


196 posted on 12/03/2014 2:48:13 PM PST by Nifster
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To: dead

This is getting worse than the Salem witch trials.


197 posted on 12/03/2014 2:52:10 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: dead

Unlike in Ferguson This cop is getting away with murder.


198 posted on 12/03/2014 2:52:16 PM PST by Revel
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To: butterdezillion
What appears on the outside may not be what killed him on the inside though. If the accusation is that the hold killed the guy, then the forensics should show HOW it killed him.

Look, you can dance around this all ya want. Fact is this man would very likely be alive today if not for the fact he was overwhelmingly physically attacked over such a minor infraction.

The message is clear. Obey or else.

199 posted on 12/03/2014 2:57:09 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Fuzz

Cardiac arrest , obesity, and severe asthma of course played no role in his death.... Like every other meme the mom has put out you bought it hook ins and sinker


200 posted on 12/03/2014 2:58:48 PM PST by Nifster
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