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This is exactly why I changed my status to NON organ donor. ugh
1 posted on 11/23/2014 9:49:01 AM PST by Shimmer1
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To: Shimmer1

You better believe it.


2 posted on 11/23/2014 9:52:44 AM PST by Ray76 (When Obama speaks he speaks as the leader of a foreign invasion.)
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To: Shimmer1

It’s better to be worth more alive, than dead.


3 posted on 11/23/2014 9:53:40 AM PST by Salamander (My soul's on fire.)
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To: Shimmer1

Follow the money. Those organs are worth big bucks to a wealthy Arab.


4 posted on 11/23/2014 9:55:19 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Shimmer1
They can take your organ$ from you, but you can't $ell them.

It'$ all about $aving live$.

5 posted on 11/23/2014 9:55:29 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: Shimmer1

Yes. It’s one thing to take organs from a dead person. But this assumption that a still living person is the best candidate for a harvest is just wrong in so many ways.


6 posted on 11/23/2014 9:59:17 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Shimmer1

She was a donor.

She was brain dead.

They followed her wishes.

Some of you think hospitals are giddy about this stuff. They are not.

She wasn’t a kid and the parents cannot stop the process if she had affirmatively signed the docs.


7 posted on 11/23/2014 9:59:28 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: Shimmer1

It was her wishes. Texas has a consent law. If you consent to donation, it doesn’t matter if family consents or not.

In medical ethics, asking families about the care of someone who can’t speak for themselves is a form of surrogacy. It is considered that the family would best know what the wishes of the patient would be.

In this case, there is no doubt. The woman signed up to be a donor. That was her wish.

Adults can make decisions for themselves.

This article is akin to something like this, “Adult daughter marries without parental consent.” Oh, the horrors. Adults can make decisions about their own lives. And deaths.

This is a non-story. Don’t want to be a donor? Don’t sign up to be one. The Texas donor database also allows you to opt out of donation, and it has the same effect: if YOU opt out, then your family can’t consent to donate for you.

Why not? You don’t need to ask the family what your wishes would be if you’ve made them clear in advance.

Donations save lives. I’ve never understood the conspiracy bubble here about that.


10 posted on 11/23/2014 10:07:46 AM PST by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: Shimmer1

I don’t want any hospital having a cash incentive toward my early demise. This incident and those like it are making me rethink my organ donor directive. It’s better to be worth more alive than dead.


11 posted on 11/23/2014 10:09:01 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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For years I told my wife that “organ donor” status gives hospitals an incentive for “premature” pronouncements of death.

After watching the current state of our government she finally left donor status off her driver’s license.


12 posted on 11/23/2014 10:10:53 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Shimmer1

My 33 year old son-in-law died of a heart attack a few years back and immediately my daughter was pressed to make a decision about donating his organs, she agreed.

Closed casket funeral because skin is an organ too and they “harvested” the skin off his face.


14 posted on 11/23/2014 10:12:26 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together. Ps 34:3)
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To: Shimmer1

Same here. Did it years ago. My whole family knows how I feel about this, too.


18 posted on 11/23/2014 10:20:14 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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“Perez was a registered organ donor and doctors told the family they were prepared to harvest the organs for donations.”

There is no story here.

The deceased was an adult and wanted to donate her organs.

The hospital fulfilled her wishes.

Her family has no standing.

She wanted to save lives.

Her family is being selfish and disrespecting of life.


20 posted on 11/23/2014 10:22:59 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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I hear in NYC or some places you just pray the ambulance arrives before the organ farmers do.


29 posted on 11/23/2014 11:41:43 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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I’d donate only if it could be stipulated that the organs go to someone middle-class and absolutely free of charge. Since that can’t be done, no go.


30 posted on 11/23/2014 11:47:54 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Shimmer1

Just changing status to non may not be enough anymore, because the value of human organs is great enough for them to “bend the rules” to the point of breaking.

If you are determined to not be organ harvested, there are a list of diseases that are both hard to detect, and prohibited from transplantation organs. Carrying identification that you have or have had one of these diseases would at least deny them your organs; even if they still wanted to kill you, that is, “euthanize” you for whatever reason they, not you, had.

Never underestimate the ruthlessness of such people.


34 posted on 11/23/2014 12:18:34 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Shimmer1; Vermont Lt; ziravan
“But she still has heart and lung functions,” said family member Juan Martinez. “They took her off the life support and she was still breathing.”

I am not sure I understand what the family member Juan Martinez was saying here. Is he saying that she was still breathing before she was taken off like support or she was still breathing after she was taken off life support? And if she was still breathing after life support was removed, for how long? What exactly did this family member witness? I presume that she remained on “life support” until sometime on Friday and pretty much right up until the time her organs were taken for transplantation, as she was an organ donor, she would not have been removed from it two or even one day or even 12 or 6 or I hour earlier as that would have rendered most of her organs unsuitable for transplant. I feel like there are some facts perhaps missing from this story.

I am not sure, but it is my understanding that a person meeting the clinical definition of brain death, may have some very limited lower brain stem function left, although brain stem death, the lack of any electrical function of the brain stem, is I believe the norm for evaluating complete brain death along with many other clinical evaluations, performed not by one but by several doctors. FWIW, the heart also will continue to beat for a time after brain death without life support as the heart can continue beating independent from input from the brain. A human heart, if provided with nothing more than oxygen will continue to beat outside and completely removed from the human body for a time.

As for breathing, respiration will not continue for very long in a brain dead person once life support is removed, however an individual may exhibit spinal activity or reflexes such as twitching or muscle contractions. Spinal reflexes are caused by electrical impulses that remain in the spinal column. These reflexes may occur even though the brain is dead and these can be mistaken by a relative as signs of life or even breathing as the muscles in the chest can continue to move up and down for a time after they are removed from the ventilator. But that does not mean the person is breathing on their own.

54 posted on 11/23/2014 3:22:20 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Shimmer1
Perez was a registered organ donor

Don't see where there is any room for debate.

58 posted on 11/23/2014 4:59:12 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Shimmer1

This is awful.


66 posted on 11/23/2014 6:27:49 PM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Deciding Female Criminal Guilt By How Hot They Are Since 1999 !)
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