Appropriations panel: Defunding immigration order 'impossible' (GOP surrenders to Obama)

It’s a clever half-truth.
They CAN ban the use of those fees for this.

Anyway the important issue is to NOT pass a long-term spending bill. Pay the bills only until January.

The best bureaucracies that can be sold on the market, huh.

Nonsense! Defund the administrators. If they don’t show up to shuffle the paperwork, receive the payments, apply the payments, pay the bills, etc., then things will be at a standstill.

Anything ranging from this to dismantling the whole blooming bureaucracy.

Completely false. Fees are how the money is raised, not spent. The Constitution is explicit:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law…

All Congress need do is add a rider stating: "No funds shall be drawn from the Treasury for x purpose."

Exactly. Boner and McConnell/Cornyn is behind this “finding”. Collaborators who are just doing the bidding of the Chamber of Amnesty. There are tons of H1B visas attached to this amnesty declaration also, just like the GOPe and the Chamber have been demanding.

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While not directly funding that agency, there are other ways. Defund that part of the retirement system that supports the employees, defund Federal agencies that would provide entitlement assistance for that portion of the increase caused by 5 million illegals (reduce current funding by that amount - not increase ONE BIT), defund the State Department by a similar percentage, defund ANYTHING entitlement related by that similar percentage. Defund it and stick to it.

Baloney. Those fees have to be appropriated by Congress.

““We cannot, literally cannot, defund that agency in an appropriations bill because we don’t appropriate that agency. That agency is entirely-fee funded,” Hing told reporters.”

I call BS on that. The agency isn’t 100% funded with ‘fees’!

Remove everything in the budget that funds phones or pens, see how the little bastard likes that.

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0bama said 22 times that it is unconstitutional for him to take Executive Action to grant Amnesty to Illegal Alien Lawbreakers. He said that if he were to grant that Amnesty, it would amount to exercising the power of a “King” (his words, repeatedly). Here are his quotes:

1.“I am president, I am not king. I can’t do these things just by myself. We have a system of government that requires the Congress to work with the Executive Branch to make it happen. I’m committed to making it happen, but I’ve got to have some partners to do it. … The main thing we have to do to stop deportations is to change the laws. … [T]he most important thing that we can do is to change the law because the way the system works – again, I just want to repeat, I’m president, I’m not king. If Congress has laws on the books that says that people who are here who are not documented have to be deported, then I can exercise some flexibility in terms of where we deploy our resources, to focus on people who are really causing problems as a opposed to families who are just trying to work and support themselves. But there’s a limit to the discretion that I can show because I am obliged to execute the law. That’s what the Executive Branch means. I can’t just make the laws up by myself. So the most important thing that we can do is focus on changing the underlying laws.” (10/25/10)

2.“I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with [the president] trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m President of America.” (3/31/08)

3.“We’ve got a government designed by the Founders so that there’d be checks and balances. You don’t want a president who’s too powerful or a Congress that’s too powerful or a court that’s too powerful. Everybody’s got their own role. Congress’s job is to pass legislation. The president can veto it or he can sign it. … I believe in the Constitution and I will obey the Constitution of the United States. We’re not going to use signing statements as a way of doing an end-run around Congress.” (5/19/08)

4.“Comprehensive reform, that’s how we’re going to solve this problem. … Anybody who tells you it’s going to be easy or that I can wave a magic wand and make it happen hasn’t been paying attention to how this town works.” (5/5/10)

5.“[T]here are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. ... I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.” (7/1/10)

6.“I do have an obligation to make sure that I am following some of the rules. I can’t simply ignore laws that are out there. I’ve got to work to make sure that they are changed.” (10/14/10)

7.“America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the President, am obligated to enforce the law. I don’t have a choice about that. That’s part of my job. But I can advocate for changes in the law so that we have a country that is both respectful of the law but also continues to be a great nation of immigrants. … With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed …. [W]e’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws. There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.” (3/28/11)

8.“I can’t solve this problem by myself. … [W]e’re going to have to have bipartisan support in order to make it happen. … I can’t do it by myself. We’re going to have to change the laws in Congress, but I’m confident we can make it happen.” (4/20/11)

9.“I know some here wish that I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself. But that’s not how democracy works. See, democracy is hard. But it’s right. Changing our laws means doing the hard work of changing minds and changing votes, one by one.” (4/29/11)

10.“Sometimes when I talk to immigration advocates, they wish I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself. But that’s not how a democracy works. What we really need to do is to keep up the fight to pass genuine, comprehensive reform. That is the ultimate solution to this problem. That’s what I’m committed to doing.” (5/10/11)

11.“I swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books …. Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you. Not just on immigration reform. But that’s not how our system works. That’s not how our democracy functions. That’s not how our Constitution is written.” (7/25/11)

12.“So what we’ve tried to do is within the constraints of the laws on the books, we’ve tried to be as fair, humane, just as we can, recognizing, though, that the laws themselves need to be changed. … The most important thing for your viewers and listeners and readers to understand is that in order to change our laws, we’ve got to get it through the House of Representatives, which is currently controlled by Republicans, and we’ve got to get 60 votes in the Senate. … Administratively, we can’t ignore the law. … I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true. … We live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved.” (9/28/11)

13.“Now, what I’ve always said is, as the head of the executive branch, there’s a limit to what I can do. Part of the reason that deportations went up was Congress put a whole lot of money into it, and when you have a lot of resources and a lot more agents involved, then there are going to be higher numbers. What we’ve said is, let’s make sure that you’re not misdirecting those resources. But we’re still going to, ultimately, have to change the laws in order to avoid some of the heartbreaking stories that you see coming up occasionally. And that’s why this continues to be a top priority of mine. … And we will continue to make sure that how we enforce is done as fairly and justly as possible. But until we have a law in place that provides a pathway for legalization and/or citizenship for the folks in question, we’re going to continue to be bound by the law. … And so part of the challenge as President is constantly saying, ‘what authorities do I have?’” (9/20/12)

14.“We are a nation of immigrants. … But we’re also a nation of laws. So what I’ve said is, we need to fix a broken immigration system. And I’ve done everything that I can on my own[.]” (10/16/12)

15.“I’m not a king. I am the head of the executive branch of government. I’m required to follow the law. And that’s what we’ve done. But what I’ve also said is, let’s make sure that we’re applying the law in a way that takes into account people’s humanity. That’s the reason that we moved forward on deferred action. Within the confines of the law we said, we have some discretion in terms of how we apply this law.” (1/30/13)

16.“I’m not a king. You know, my job as the head of the executive branch ultimately is to carry out the law. And, you know, when it comes to enforcement of our immigration laws, we’ve got some discretion. We can prioritize what we do. But we can’t simply ignore the law. When it comes to the dreamers, we were able to identify that group and say, ‘These folks are generally not a risk. They’re not involved in crime. … And so let’s prioritize our enforcement resources.’ But to sort through all the possible cases of everybody who might have a sympathetic story to tell is very difficult to do. This is why we need comprehensive immigration reform. To make sure that once and for all, in a way that is, you know, ratified by Congress, we can say that there is a pathway to citizenship for people who are staying out of trouble, who are trying to do the right thing, who’ve put down roots here. … My job is to carry out the law. And so Congress gives us a whole bunch of resources. They give us an order that we’ve got to go out there and enforce the laws that are on the books. … If this was an issue that I could do unilaterally I would have done it a long time ago. … The way our system works is Congress has to pass legislation. I then get an opportunity to sign it and implement it.” (1/30/13)

17.“This is something I’ve struggled with throughout my presidency. The problem is that I’m the president of the United States, I’m not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed. And Congress right now has not changed what I consider to be a broken immigration system. And what that means is that we have certain obligations to enforce the laws that are in place even if we think that in many cases the results may be tragic.” (2/14/13)

18.“I think that it is very important for us to recognize that the way to solve this problem has to be legislative. I can do some things and have done some things that make a difference in the lives of people by determining how our enforcement should focus. … And we’ve been able to provide help through deferred action for young people …. But this is a problem that needs to be fixed legislatively.” (7/16/13)

19.“My job in the executive branch is supposed to be to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said ‘here is the law’ when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they’ve allocated a whole bunch of money for enforcement. And, what I have been able to do is to make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources that we have, we can’t do everything that Congress has asked us to do. What we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act folks, saying young people who have basically grown up here are Americans that we should welcome. … But if we start broadening that, then essentially I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that’s not an option. … What I’ve said is there is a there’s a path to get this done, and that’s through Congress.” (9/17/13)

20.“[I]f, in fact, I could solve all these problems without passing laws in Congress, then I would do so. But we’re also a nation of laws. That’s part of our tradition. And so the easy way out is to try to yell and pretend like I can do something by violating our laws. And what I’m proposing is the harder path, which is to use our democratic processes to achieve the same goal that you want to achieve. … It is not simply a matter of us just saying we’re going to violate the law. That’s not our tradition. The great thing about this country is we have this wonderful process of democracy, and sometimes it is messy, and sometimes it is hard, but ultimately, justice and truth win out.” (11/25/13)

21.“I am the Champion-in-Chief of comprehensive immigration reform. But what I’ve said in the past remains true, which is until Congress passes a new law, then I am constrained in terms of what I am able to do. What I’ve done is to use my prosecutorial discretion, because you can’t enforce the laws across the board for 11 or 12 million people, there aren’t the resources there. What we’ve said is focus on folks who are engaged in criminal activity, focus on people who are engaged in gang activity. Do not focus on young people, who we’re calling DREAMers …. That already stretched my administrative capacity very far. But I was confident that that was the right thing to do. But at a certain point the reason that these deportations are taking place is, Congress said, ‘you have to enforce these laws.’ They fund the hiring of officials at the department that’s charged with enforcing. And I cannot ignore those laws any more than I could ignore, you know, any of the other laws that are on the books. That’s why it’s so important for us to get comprehensive immigration reform done this year.” (3/6/14)

22.“I think that I never have a green light [to push the limits of executive power]. I’m bound by the Constitution; I’m bound by separation of powers. There are some things we can’t do. Congress has the power of the purse, for example. … Congress has to pass a budget and authorize spending. So I don’t have a green light. … My preference in all these instances is to work with Congress, because not only can Congress do more, but it’s going to be longer-lasting.” (8/6/14)

All good tactics, but they take too long. If we all quit spending TODAY and stuck to it, it would register within a couple of weeks. All retailers get their receipts and inventory information reported daily.

Can you imagine what reaction there would be if spending in the next few weeks fell off just 10% of what was projected?

IF WE CAN’T STOP SPENDING MONEY ON NON-ESSENTIALS THEN WE ARE FUNDING OUR OWN AGONY.

” am not going to take up arms. I am not going to march. I am not going to go on strike from work.

AND I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND A DAMN CENT THAT I DON’T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO!”

Sorry, but I don’t see how the affects anybody but yourself.

The way to quit feeding the beast (fascism) is to quit paying taxes. Next year, we are doing exactly that. If you’re going to spend little and live a thrifty life, might as well make it as enjoyable as possible. We will be moving to a rural area (house already purchased with cash), and will be trying a self-sufficient lifestyle. If I keep our adjusted gross income around $20K, between the standard deduction and 2 exemptions, our taxable will be about zero. The beast gets nothing! And a simple life, armed and ready for what may happen, is exactly how I want to live anyway.

If you won’t take up arms and won’t quit paying into the system, how exactly are you punishing ‘them’?

Rollcall reporter’s tweet:
“Matt Fuller @MEPFuller

I, for one, am convinced by this new GOP line that Congress can’t functionally defund an executive action on immigration, for I am an idiot.”

LOL! Nobody is buying this.

Tit for tat then. Find an agency the president would like funded that we can defund, and defund that.

Re-election is not as important as it seems. The new congressmen and senators find out, if they did not already know, that if they vote “correctly” their lifetime affluence is assured even if they are not re-elected whereas if they vote against the system their wealth is limited to their salary and their own investment acumen.

“Lower your taxes; less income; more charitable deductions; spend only with conservative supporting vendors; spend more time with your family. Seek government benefits. Starve the beast.”

EXACTLY! Although without the gov benefits part - I couldn’t live with myself. I think pride and self-sufficiency should go hand-in-hand.

If someone owned their own business, they can put up to $17,500 into their 401K off the top of their income ($23,500 if over 50). That reduces taxable income quite a bit, while still allowing you to earn money and save it for later. No point being a bum and just lounging around, waiting for the government to take care of us in our older years.

"Go ahead with your executive amnesty plan and we'll say it's impossible to defund."

Ummmm.... Do they not fund the people that collect the fees?

That said, you in fact CAN’T defund a LACK of activity on the part of the Executive branch or an agency under it. If they decide to simply quit enforcing/prosecuting a certain law, such as aspects of immigration as in this case, how can you defund that? They’re choosing to ignore the law.

There ARE remedies for such things, certainly by Congress via Impeachment, but not enough of them care. The courts might have a role to play, but I don’t know enough about Constitutional/Federal law to comment on that.

This will indeed set a VERY bad precedent! What will the Democrats do if a Republican gets into office and decides to just close the IRS, or just instruct the IRS to quit enforcing laws regarding Capital Gains taxes, ect....ect. 0bama doing this and getting away with it WILL open a ‘Pandora’s Box’ of sorts - The proverbial “slippery slope”.

Surely the Democrats have to know this. They DO NOT want to go there, because so much of what they hold dear is grounded in man-made federal laws, and court decisions that depend on the executive branch enforcing laws, otherwise all of their “progress” falls apart.

The money they raise from fees doesn’t get deposited into the treasury, it goes into the agency’s internal budget. So, they don’t have to draw anything from the treasury in order to spend it.