Posted on 11/17/2014 8:34:47 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
A large study of gay brothers adds to evidence that genes influence men’s chances of being homosexual, but the results aren’t strong enough to prove it.
Some scientists believe several genes might affect sexual orientation. Researchers who led the new study of nearly 800 gay brothers say their results bolster previous evidence pointing to genes on the X chromosome.
They also found evidence of influence from a gene or genes on a different chromosome. But the study doesn’t identify which of hundreds of genes located in either place might be involved.
Smaller studies seeking genetic links to homosexuality have had mixed results.
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I don’t think either precludes the other. In other words, not mutually exclusive. You may have seen me mentioning my neighbors son before. Plays with butterflies, drives pink barbie Jeep, looks feminine. Dresses in colorful clothing. Kids is 4. Can it be the parents? Their daughter is a tough Tom Boy that’s a killer soccer player!
I think there are few that are wired that way, but I think they are a relatively small subset of those who consider themselves gay. I also believe that being molested as a child can “flip the switch.”
If you believe gays are born, then prove your belief.
In the case in which you do know all of the facts, I find it hard to believe that you can tell me that you know another person’s entire sexual history from birth with 100% accuaracy and full knowledge that no altering of any fact occurred, unless that person is yourself.
Because if it is not yourself, then there is no way for you to be 100% secure in what you believe that you know about that person.
I know of a man who was made into a latent homosexual late in his life based upon a domineering and somewhat abusive mother that caused him to have unusual perceptions of females over the span of his life as a result.
Furthermore, he began to hang around with some very liberal hippies/ progressives around the age of 30 and beyond, and those two factors caused him to develope some very deviant sexual behaviors.
However, despite knowing this man about as well as I could know any other man who is not me, I do not know the early details of his sexual history at all, because he never told me, and even if he did tell me, he was a difficult person to trust.
This man also viewed children in a way that no man should ever view children, and I know of at least one incident where that view was acted upon, though it was also interrputed before any damage could be done, thank God.
So, to be perfectly honest with you, if this gay was born, as opposed to made, then it would be very likely that I would also be the same way, because I do in fact share genes with this person, and I am not the same way.
So how would you explain that using your theory that gays are born?
Convince me that you are right, and that I am wrong.
Show me your evidence.
Becuase if cannot show any evidence, then your belief is quite simply an erroneous opinion.
Btw....What do you make of Muschamp resigning like that? Doesn’t make for much of an effort over the last two weeks. And not have him coach a bowl? Odd..
Same happened with Zook, and that year they actually beat FSU in Tally in his final regular season game.
Zook got his Illinois gig from that, so no doubt Muschamp is going to try to do the best he can to get another head coaching gig. He should have gone to a “directional’ school first to get his head coaching experience, before coaching in the SEC.
I had a friend who was very well versed on the subject and she said it wasn’t exactly the same DNA. And I do know the difference between identical and fraternal. According to her, there were some variations in identical’s DNA sequences. But she was a big Lefty and she may have been searching for a reason to support the genetic claim.
It’s funny how they keep trying. They’re never going to get the results they want. You’re not born wanting to suck **** or take it in the ***.
I wonder if any of these scientists asked the brothers if they had the same domineering mother, or non-present father, or uncle that touched them? Any of these make MUCH MORE SENSE than genetic reasons. (any doubters, see narth.com)
It is hogwash-—it is like all behaviors-—which are learned (esp. when they are a warped, filthy, irrational use of the body that defies Biology/Science).
Exactly like raping goats and raping babies——it is learned by child abuse and by normalizing vile dehumanizing behaviors to little children.
That is why all the Afghani boys grow up to lust after men and goats and boys....because they were raised in harems and trained by the males in their life. They learn to hate and revile women.
Same with the Samurai-—and the Spartans who removed boys at 7 from the natural family and never allowed them to live with the woman until after age 30......the homosexual males love the younger boys since it is the age of embedded emotions of “1st love”.
Child abuse in 1st year of life can also make children hate males—or females. It is all embedded emotions when the adults that they should be able to trust, abuse them. You can learn to hate and mistrust either sex determined by the interactions of the “parents” or lack of parents. (Moberly, Psychogenesis).
All the books for the last 20 years-—like for kindergarten-—”Heather has two mommies” and “Daddy’s Roommate” and “Tango makes Three”. They are normalizing Vice-—forcing “Pride” in anal sex days even in Kindergarten-—for 20 years-—to erase Christian Ethics in children and normalize Satanic Ethics.
Planned Parenthood has access to Sex Ed programs (a Cultural Marxist construct to deliberately destroy Virtue in children and focus them on sex without morality). Promoting masturbation and non-marital sex destroys morality and the “meaning” of sex-—makes it a pure animal act devoid of morality. That desacralization of sex destroys Virtue in children and the dignity of human sexuality-—reduces it to an animal act.
They redefined “Family” in the Classroom-—corrupted the word to include ALL abnormality which destroys the meaning of the word (destroys Logic and Reason in children like all Marxist/Satanic beliefs)-—and they destroyed the meaning of “Marriage” by putting “homosexual” in front of it which makes it irrational and destroys all Tradition and meaning of the language——like good Marxists do.
All the Moral Relativism-—to destroy Christian Ethics was posited in the 1970s to normalize paganism/Satanism: If it feels good, do it.
No-—children are not a blank slate -—they are designed with 1/2 a reproductive system and are designed to desire to mate with the opposite sex if their sexual orientation (basic instincts) is not warped or destroyed in the process of growing up (maturation). Sexual orientation can be warped if there is child abuse or neglect.
Like with the harem boys of Afghanistan-—being raped as boys will make them lust after men and boys and goats when they are adults....and hate women. It is always the same result. Learned behavior/toxic, unnatural culture.
That is a warping of the design of children who are designed to be raised and nurtured by their biological parents. When that is destroyed-—all artificial environments distort learned behaviors.
Children are resilient and can handle most aberrations if not too vile or embedded with extreme emotions/trauma. Early childhood interaction with male/females is essential and an abusive male or female will embed emotions of hate/anger and determine later relationships. Moberly claimed that homosexuality could be determined by abused children as young as 9 mos old—when abused.
Hmmm, I used to do genetic studies, but that was some 30 years ago. It looks like this is a pretty recent development, and appears to be studying how identical twins differ once their initial DNA is laid out by the parents, in other words, how the genes are expressed. This is where environment always took over back in the old days. It looks like the experts are still sorting through this 99.99% alike DNA. I would bet that you are correct about your friend, in that the lefties are searching desperately for a gay gene. So now it looks like they’ve resorted to changing what we used to call “gene expression” into something more nuanced so that they can fulfill their agendas.
The desire to mate with the opposite sex is not necessarily present at young ages.
Though the instinct may well be there, it is not a driving force at all.
Neither is the mindset that homosexuality is either right or wrong.
The child may have no information or attitude on that one way or the other.
But I certainly do believe that the normal sexual development of a child can be warped by early sexual experiences that are abnormal, and I would also agree that normal development can still occur even with abnormal events having occurred, because the contrary would suggest that every child who was molested by an adult of the same sex or a had an early sexual experience with a child of the same sex would then grow to be an adult homosexual, which is not the case.
But in cases where such abnormal sexual experiences continue to occur over long periods of time, then the likelyhood of homosexuality being cemented rises greatly.
I agree with you. If there were a gene for being gay, it would by the laws of nature, result in fewer gays because it would mean they cannot reproduce naturally. If it weren’t for unnatural methods, homosexuals wouldn’t be able to make any new generations. That’s why they have to recruit.
Why can’t these scientists study how many gays and lesbians were traumatized sexually before they were adults? Like Lena Dunham’s younger lesbian sister, I’d bet most of them had something terrible happen to them at a young age.
FWIW, I completely agree with you. Every single male that I know of personally who has come out as gay, was molested as a preteen or traumatized by either the lack of a father growing up, or something else in his young life (which he didn’t want to discuss with me) that very much upset him.
The couple of women I know who are lesbian, were either molested by a male, or had no father in her life, and her mother was emotionally detached. In her case, I felt like she was looking for love from a female to replace the love she felt never had as a child. Her father left her mother when she was young, and he was abusive to her mother, so her early experiences taught her that men were to be avoided at all costs.
To me, it’s sad, watching these people struggle with psychological problems, because I know their history, and I know they didn’t have healthy upbringings. It seems to perpetuate into the next generation. Society has given them a free pass to continue this psychosis, rather than helping them through it. I can only do so much as a friend.
I am convinced that homosexuality is an environmental persuasion versus a genetic one.
As am I.
It is the result of some form of serious dysfuntion in the life of any given person that manifests itself in abnormal sexuality. That manifestation usually occurs earlier on, but it can also occur later on in life as well.
It also seems at that as societal dysfuntion in general increases, so do the instances of homosexuality, and now with our society seeming to openly promote it...it is going to get worse.
I understand finding homosexuality unnatural, but lumping it in with violent behavior is a little much.
Just as there were kids who were sissies who turned out to be gay, there were kids who were violent who probably were violent as adults. I do not know why you say I am ‘lumping homosexuality in with violence’. I am merely saying that just because a behavior is present early on does not make it natural. You seem mighty defensive of homosexuality.
It’s not a question of being defensive about homosexuality. It’s a question of balancing the understanding that homosexuality being unnatural and exploring people being abused because they are homosexual.
The movie Imitation Games opens next week. It details how a true WII hero was essentially murdered by the government and country he saved. It made me furious.
The guy (Turing) could not have been treated worse. He should have a national holiday in England and arguably in America. He, as much as any American leader was responsible for the success of D-Day.
I am not for pushing the homosexual agenda, but I am for celebrating our greatest of war heros.
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