Posted on 10/30/2014 11:05:19 AM PDT by C19fan
he increasingly hostile divergence of views between Turkey and the United States over Syria is testing the durability of their 60-year alliance, to the point where some are starting to question whether the two countries still can be considered allies at all.
Turkey’s refusal to allow the United States to use its bases to launch attacks against the Islamic State, quarrels over how to manage the battle raging in the Syrian border town of Kobane and the harsh tone of the anti-American rhetoric used by top Turkish officials to denounce U.S. policy have served to illuminate the vast gulf that divides the two nations as they scramble to address the menace posed by the extremists.
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We should never have gotten involved in Syria. It is far worse now than it was. We should have let nature take it’s course there whoever won. Same with Libya, Egypt...
The foreign policy failures of this president will haunt us for half a century.
The collapse of the Soviet Union, and the ensuing establishment of buffer states in the Caucasus, removed the need for Turkey’s dependence on the United States. Then the radical moslems infiltrated Turkey’s government, and with 0bama’s ineptitude and/or approval, Turkey is playing the radical moslem game now.
Times change, and bad leaders like 0bama don’t cope well.
Turkey is becoming a sharia state. Time for us to downscale our friend level with them.
The alliance died when Turkey wouldn’t help us take down Saddam, and kept our best division out of the war.
Most of Turkey opposes Erdogan and his radical agenda. He doesn’t give a whit about the suffering in Syria. For him, it’s all about Assad. I accept that Assad’s an evil tyrant (no defender of Christians either as some dupes say). But first we defeat the most radical terrorists in the world, ISIS. Then, we’ll deal with Assad.
The alliance died when the USSR was partitioned, and the Turks didn’t need us any more. It just took a while for everyone to realize it.
I thought Erdogan and Obama were BFF’s? Seriously. Obama shares Erdogan’s hopes for Sharia, Caliphate, etc.. Obama’s most difficult challenge is helping to promote and expand the Caliphate while at the same time APPEARING to fight against ISIS.
The terms of our alliance with Turkey:
1. We pretend that Turkey is an ally populated by non-existent moderate muslims.
2. The Turks let us pretend they are allies as long as we keep sending them billions of American dollars.
he increasingly hostile divergence of views between Turkey and the United States over Syria is testing the durability of their 60-year alliance, to the point where some are starting to question whether the two countries still can be considered allies at all.
The big break was with the inept Clinton administration. They ignored the alliance, and the secular government that was a good ally during the cold war was no longer there by the end of his terms. When we needed their cooperation in dealing with Iraq, it was made clear that it had been replaced by a different government with no friendliness towards us - and little cooperation.
Obama is just finishing off the last of the cooperativeness.
They were fine until Clinton blew them off and, lacking any ability to claim the favor of the U.S., were all voted out of office. The secular government was replaced by anti-US religionists. It was painful to watch as it was happening.
You're wrong.
Erdogan was just elected President in August with a first round majority, while his AK Party increased its share of elected offices.
If they still shared a border with the USSR and their puppet, Bulgaria, the Turks would be signing a different tune.
Much as I would love to blame it all on Obola, the fact is it was stupid to even engage in Deseret Shield. EVERYONE gets brutalized who interferes in that rathole area of Earth. Bush1 was dumb enough to get involved and things have only been a series of disasters ever since. No matter what we do it will somehow get torn apart by the eternal local hatreds.
2. The foreign policy failures of this president will haunt us for half a century.
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1. 100% correct. The folks over there have been fighting against each other for as long as there have been folks over there. We should LEAVE them alone.
2. 100% correct.
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**It's my read that this will happen again in our life time. Why wouldn't it?
By then maybe the American voter will have a president with brains and backbone.
I didn’t have a problem with Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Go in, kick butt, get out.
Going into Iraq in 2002, I thought from the get-go, was motivated by a desire to take care of daddy’s unfinished business. It was a mistake to stay there.
Going into Afghanistan, initially, was not a mistake. We should have gone in, killed a bunch of very bad people, made a nice pile of skulls as a warning to the rest, and then LEFT. NONE of them should have seen Gitmo; any useful information should have been “extracted” on the spot, and then shoot the bastards. Again, it was a mistake to stay.
hussein can check that off in his How to Destroy America book.
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