Posted on 10/19/2014 12:42:34 PM PDT by Kaslin
The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution is crystal clear in meaning.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
FBI Director, James Comey, an Obama appointment, does not give a damn what the Constitution says.
In a recent speech, Comey warns If Apple and Google Won't Decrypt Phones, We'll Force Them To
Everyone is stoked that the latest versions of iOS and Android will (finally) encrypt all the information on your smartphone by default. Except, of course, the FBI: Today, its director spent an hour attacking the companies and the very idea of encryption, even suggesting that Congress should pass a law banning the practice of default encryption.Safe That Cannot be Cracked
It's of course no secret that James Comey and the FBI hate the prospect of "going dark," the idea that law enforcement simply doesn't have the technical capability to track criminals (and the average person) because of all those goddamn apps, encryption, wifi network switching, and different carriers.
"Encryption isn’t just a technical feature; it’s a marketing pitch … it’s the equivalent of a closet that can’t be opened. A safe that can’t be cracked. And my question is, at what cost?" Comey said. "Both companies [Apple and Google] are run by good people, responding to what they perceive is a market demand. But the place they are leading us is one we shouldn’t go to without careful thought and debate."
As usual, I bet Apple is one step ahead of them, and if the FBI keeps threatening, Apple will just make an easy encryption/decryption system for its users, with its elements created by them. It’s not particularly hard, other than creating an interface.
For example, give them a blank screen, then ask them to draw on it with their finger, scribbles if they like, for a minimum of say, one minute. Throw away the first five and last five seconds, then use it as the seed to a randomizer.
There’s a vast number of things Apple could do, that it could not undo or break into.
Actually, there is encryption they can't crack.
So, they do what all smart hackers do. They go around it somehow. E.g., by tricking the user into making a mistake. Or hacking his computer by installing hardware secretly, e.g., while its being shipped. Or getting him to install tainted software. Or exploiting a security hole in the software he's using.
The prosecutor can go fuck himself because I don't have to open the door just because they flash a warrant. They are free to knock the door down if they are able. But I am not compelled to help.
Some people have much difficulty understanding this even after being lied to, hoodwinked and conned several hundred thousand times.
Bingo! The law aside, the bottom line is the government is at best incompetent, and at worst rising towards an authoritarian de facto dictatorship.
Unless people recognize the danger posed by unrestrained government, we will never be able to limit its power to that which is derived only from the consent of the governed, AND in compliance with the Constitution.
Right now there are still way too many people very naive about what the government is up to.
They use phony events and scare tactics to get people to surrender their money and their liberty.
You make excellent points in this thread. I’d like to add that the government still has all sorts of traditional intelligence gathering tools that do not require cracking phones, but I’m sure they can break encryption, too. It may be more difficult to catch criminals in some cases, but that’s the price of freedom.
I’d frankly rather let a criminal walk free (for a time) than give up our constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. If law enforcement has probable cause that someone has committed a crime, they can get a warrant. That doesn’t seem an unreasonable hurdle to me.
> “ inability to search data for which they have a legitimate warrant.”
Our 5th amendment guarantees that you can’t be compelled to testify against yourself.
Giving them the key to unlock your encrypted data is being compelled to testify against yourself.
How many DemRATs have invoked their 5th amendment rights?
Fascist pig.
This is just a threat by the FBI/DOJ to HARASS these companies until they win.
They MUST stand tall for their client or lose their business.
And there's AT LEAST a million patriots that would love to put a bullet in HIS head.
Do they ever consider such things?
Perhaps public hangings will change their mind?
Show me yours and I'll show you mine.
These Fascists would balk.
Exactly! I simply do not believe ANYTHING ANYBODY (ANY agency or employee or contractor) connected with the federal government says!
I still believe “a little” of what my state government says (Texas). Fortunately, the city I live in doesn’t have a government or a police department.
Policies, compliance, ethics... are for the peons.
— Red6
That’s why one day we’ll have to hang them.
What would be interesting is for Apple or Google to one-up the Feds and make it not only encrypt by default, but to also wipe by default if a “wipe” password is used. In other words, you’d have two passwords. The one you use when you want to use your phone, and one to give to the government when it is prying into your life.
Yes, there is. It's called FREEDOM.
The ferragummit can't outlaw mathematics.
If someone wants to encrypt their information, they have every right to, and the ferragummit can't even access the scrambled stuff without a proper warrant.
Terrorists would obviously disregard such law anyway, so such law could only be calculated to cast a wide net over everybody. And that violates both the spirit and letter of the Constitution.
Given the choice between a totalitarian society and losing a US city to the occasional nuke, I'll take losing the occasional city.
A totalitarian society is not one worth living in or fighting for. The only thing such a society merits is obliteration.
The solution to avoiding a wahhabist totalitarian society is not to establish some other flavor of totalitarian society.
Clever.
bttt
these are the kind of people the founding father went to war against and killed. remember the kinds of people that souldn’t be allowed to live when cwii is kicked off by the government.
It has already gone dark Comey, so dark the govt thinks it has the right to do surveillance on the whole American population. That is a worse crime imo than just about any terrorist act we may have to deal with.
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