Posted on 09/26/2014 6:15:59 PM PDT by Mariner
WASHINGTON -- Conservatives are losing ground on the fight to keep marijuana illegal, a Republican congressman warned in dire terms at the Values Voter Summit.
During a conference mostly focused on religious liberty, abolishing the IRS and promoting small government, Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) delivered a full speech on the ills of decriminalizing and legalizing marijuana.
Fleming, a medical doctor, warned of a "growing acceptance" of marijuana -- a fact hard to deny, considering public opinion and state laws. Colorado and Washington state have legalized recreational marijuana, and 23 states and the District of Columbia have allowed the substance for medical use.
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Until you have experience getting carded as a minor for MJ then you might as well drop that line of yammering.
So that's a yes.
I've never contested your factoid that minors can get pot more easily than booze or cigs
No, you didn't show the backbone to either contest or concede it - instead you omitted it from your replies in order to mischaracterize the obvious conclusion as "speculation."
Unfortunately your factoid even if true doesn't add any weight to your speculation that having lots of legal sellers will somehow crowd out the illegal sellers to minors.
Of course it does - minors don't have the purchasing power to sustain a significant black market, as witness the nonexistence of a significant black market in minor-desired alcohol, and legal sellers of booze and cigs usually don't sell to minors because their legality for adults creates a clear incentive to not break the laws against doing so.
MJ will remain easy to grow under your legalization scheme
And stoner teens are known for their green thumbs.
and it will be easier to obtain seeds depending on how easily the legal sellers get them.
So let's make sure that "depending" keeps seeds out of minors' hands.
As is the case in my area today, a couple kids will grow and supply and the rest will come from the Mexicans.
Are you claiming that a couple kids grow enough to supply a significant fraction of your area? That's hard to believe - have any evidence?
But a fact that runs counter to your speculation that "legalizing makes it more acceptable to minors."
Taje a course in statistics and get back to me.
Take a course in arithmetic - even "none" is different from "more."
No. I watched them grow about 7 or 8 large plants.
Are you claiming that a couple kids grow enough to supply a significant fraction of your area?
No. I watched them grow about 7 or 8 large plants.
Then kids growing is not relevant to whether kids will continue to get pot if it's legalized for adults. As for the Mexicans: minors don't have the purchasing power to sustain a significant black market, as witness the nonexistence of a significant black market in minor-desired alcohol. (And legal sellers of booze and cigs usually don't sell to minors because their legality for adults creates a clear incentive to not break the laws against doing so.)
It just says press release from Colorado https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe I searched and looked but could not find the press release.
Then how did you conclude that 2% is not significant? Were you talking out your, um, rearmost orifice?
You must be stoned. Do kids make their own alcohol?
Your complete lack of common sense explains why you are pro-stoner, a 2% reduction is not significant.
Then kids growing is not relevant to whether kids will continue to get pot if it's legalized for adults. As for the Mexicans: minors don't have the purchasing power to sustain a significant black market, as witness the nonexistence of a significant black market in minor-desired alcohol.
You must be stoned. Do kids make their own alcohol
You must be drunk - you already conceded that "kids making their own" is not relevant to pot.
You previously followed up your claim with a reference to statistics - and as far as statistical significance goes, you've admitted you have no basis for that claim. You'll have to say what you mean by "not significant" - and how that means it fails to counter your speculation that "legalizing makes it more acceptable to minors."
Or you can continue to bluster and make no actual argument - your call.
In any case your silly assertion is that this growing or other illegal sources will dry up once MJ stores open and kids get carded in those stores. Your evidence is that you were carded as a minor.
If you can find a study that backs up the 2% drop, be my guest. Then we can look for the significance metrics. I did a pretty thorough search starting at the CO site and came up empty. Actually in your favor it is a 10% drop (22 to 20). But without a study we have nothing. That’s what most stoner arguments boil down to.
Not as compared to all the minors in your area, no.
In any case your silly assertion is that this growing
I haven't claimed that kids growing pot will dry up - I've noted that there's no evidence that it's a significant part of the youth pot market.
or other illegal sources will dry up once MJ stores open and kids get carded in those stores. Your evidence is that you were carded as a minor.
No, my evidence, as I've stated at least twice already, is: minors don't have the purchasing power to sustain a significant black market, as witness the nonexistence of a significant black market in minor-desired alcohol.
You've previously implicitly accepted that figure by citing it while questioning its "significance" (whatever it is you may mean by that). Since that blew up in your face, you're now backpedalling to questioning the figure. Well, here's another bomb: "Thirty-day marijuana use fell from 22 percent in 2011 to 20 percent in 2013, and lifetime use declined from 39 percent to 37 percent during the same two years." - https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/news/news-new-survey-documents-youth-marijuana-use-need-prevention
That’s what most stoner arguments boil down to.
Evasions, baseless claims, and goalpost-moving are what Drug Warrior arguments boil down to.
“Over 220 schools and 40,000 youth participated in 2013 Healthy Kids Colorado Survey.” - http://www.chd.dphe.state.co.us/topics.aspx?q=Adolescent_Health_Data [”About” tab]
Works out to a ±1.4% standard error for that 2% drop.
That is the study I was pointed to. If you did not realize that, then you are clearly not paying attention. Ah, yes, we have a symptom!
40,000 independent data points? You think 40k students chose to answer the question?
You've previously implicitly accepted that figure by citing it while questioning its "significance" (whatever it is you may mean by that). Since that blew up in your face, you're now backpedalling to questioning the figure. Well, here's another bomb: "Thirty-day marijuana use fell from 22 percent in 2011 to 20 percent in 2013, and lifetime use declined from 39 percent to 37 percent during the same two years." - https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/news/news-new-survey-documents-youth-marijuana-use-need-prevention
That is the study I was pointed to.
So when you said, "I did a pretty thorough search starting at the CO site and came up empty" you forgot that you'd been pointed to the study? Ah, yes, we have a symptom!
You think 40k students chose to answer the question?
I have no reason to think they didn't - do you? We can't know for sure until the data is posted ... but unless there's a high nonresponse rate for that question, your claim about significance is on thin ice.
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